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Old 04-23-2012, 11:42 AM
BestImpressions99 BestImpressions99 is offline
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Honestly if you just look at the pictures MF has of the ZTR's you see beyond a shadow of a doubt this isn't meant as a true commercial machine.
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:19 PM
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Honestly if you just look at the pictures MF has of the ZTR's you see beyond a shadow of a doubt this isn't meant as a true commercial machine.
Honestly, if you look at the right information, you see beyond a shadow of a doubt this IS meant as a true commercial mower.

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Old 04-23-2012, 06:04 PM
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They also are branding a line made by Ferris/ simplicity (Briggs and stratton) as seen here. http://www.masseylawn.com/zero-turn-...20Turn%20Mower
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:51 PM
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If you read through this PDF, you'll see they are really more of a high end homeowner/low end commercial mower. Both the diesels weigh in less than many gas models from other name brands which is great for the turf, but it tells me that there's not as much material in their construction overall, and they have much lower BTS's as well. They also have tunnel decks, which I know firsthand will cut every bit as good as any deck made, but not when you're dealing with large amounts of thick grass, and taking of several inches at a time at high speed as is common in the spring. They do look interesting though, and I hope they turn out to be another good choice eventually.

http://www.masseyferguson.us/Library...s-Brochure.pdf
Looking at the specs on the mower deck options, they do list a 60" and 72" standard deck, which are not tunnel decks, and then they list the 72" tunnel deck.

Your statement about the "tunnel deck not cutting well when dealing with tall, thick grass when taking off serveral inches at a time at high speed as is common in the spring" is contradictory to the basic reasoning behind the function of a tunnel style deck. If you read the Gravely info on the Pro Ride mower deck, or if you find some of the old EverRide Warrior Advertisements and videos of it, you'll see that it was designed to excel in the very conditions that you say it's not good at.

My experience with my Gravely Pro Ride has also backed up those statements. With the tunnel deck Pro Ride, I have been able to cut tall, thick spring growth at a high speed, when the ground is smooth enough. It will cut it clean also. I't ONLY disadvantage when cutting in those conditions is the clippings will be longer because the tunnel deck is working as designed in those conditions, which means that it is getting the clippings out of the deck quicker, which keeps the blades from getting overwelmed with the excessive amount of clippings. YOU can't hardly make the Gravely Pro Ride throw clumps in tall, thick grass. I always hear that the 7 Iron and Velocity plus decks won't hardly clump, neither will the Gravely Pro Ride.

I know that we live in different regions of the Country and have different kinds of grasses to deal with so I can't say that the Gravely Pro Ride / EverRide Warrior deck will work well in northern grasses but it does fine down here in Bahia country. Btw, I did get to use it in some tall/thick bahia late last summer and it handled it very well and at a pretty good speed also.

Also, contrary to the perception of some , about tunnel decks, when cutting normal growth grass, (bermuda, zoysia, st. Augustine) mine will discharge clippings that are fairly small, not as small as an Exmark Ultracut, Bobcat or my Lastec but it does chop them up noticably.

In one of the old EverRide threads, I think it was "Lawns Etc." that had used the warriors and JD's with the 7 Iron deck and he compared the cut between the two as pretty equal but that the JD would produce finer clippings.

I'm not saying that the tunnel deck design is the best deck ever, just that a tunnel decks main attribute is to excel in tall, thick grass. It might not work as well at 4" and above in the finer northern grasses but down here it (at least the Pro Ride deck anyway, as I have no experience with the MF/Iseki tunnel deck) works very well.
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:59 AM
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They also are branding a line made by Ferris/ simplicity (Briggs and stratton) as seen here. http://www.masseylawn.com/zero-turn-...20Turn%20Mower
Yep, Those are Ferris mowers without the suspension, but they are nice machines. Since the Ferris and Simplicity are available with the 30 HP Vanguard, I wonder why the MF has the 28. seems they'd use the same engine as well.
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:10 AM
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Razorblades-

I thought you might see that and respond., since I know you have that new mower and have posted pics of it doin' its thing (and well I thought).

Maybe I'm still not be making myself clear though. I know what a tunnel deck was designed to do, and what they will do. I have used more of them than a true, deep commercial deck by far. They will flat out get it done, no question. I have a 60" commercial grade deck on my Deere CUT that is a tunnel deck, and then I have my 7 Iron. For most normal mowing there is no advantage one way or the other, but for high speed mowing, and especially if it is moist, long and lush grass, the deeper commercial decks that are 5.5" deep over the entire deck area will handle and process the volume of material quicker and with less required HP. IME, the tunnel deck will start to leave some clumps if the grass is wet and thick, but the 7 Iron won't. The biggest thing that the MF diesel Z's need is more BTS IMO.
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:39 PM
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dbear... if that's what he saw then why the HECK would he ask such a question. Think about it. I'm not an idiot. Of course that's a very commercial machine. Type in Massey Ferguson ZTR in Google and you get what I was talking about, not this monstrosity.

Pull your head out of your backside and see the broader picture.
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:39 PM
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BI99, the flow of this thread had specifically referenced and linked to MF commercial units. Your post was made after said references. You did NOT state to which units your statement pertained, so logic, and English grammar, dictates said statement would apply to that which immediately preceded it. And yet Iíve got my head up my butt. Right. You may need to learn to make posts more clear to avoid any possible confusion in the future.
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Old 04-24-2012, 10:26 PM
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Razorblades-

I thought you might see that and respond., since I know you have that new mower and have posted pics of it doin' its thing (and well I thought).

Maybe I'm still not be making myself clear though. I know what a tunnel deck was designed to do, and what they will do. I have used more of them than a true, deep commercial deck by far. They will flat out get it done, no question. I have a 60" commercial grade deck on my Deere CUT that is a tunnel deck, and then I have my 7 Iron. For most normal mowing there is no advantage one way or the other, but for high speed mowing, and especially if it is moist, long and lush grass, the deeper commercial decks that are 5.5" deep over the entire deck area will handle and process the volume of material quicker and with less required HP. IME, the tunnel deck will start to leave some clumps if the grass is wet and thick, but the 7 Iron won't. The biggest thing that the MF diesel Z's need is more BTS IMO.
I don't doubt your experience with the Jd tunnel deck vs the 7 Iron. But, while not knocking the JD Tunnel deck (or any other Tunnel deck), I'm not so sure that you can lump ALL brands of Tunnel decks performance as the same, any more than you can categorize conventional decks from 5.5"- 6.5" deep, as far as cutting performance and characteristics go.

Thr blade tip speed on the Pro Ride is nearly 19,000 fpm. Does the JD Tunnel deck on your CUT have that high of blade speed. Even if it does, that doesn't mean that the performance of the JD Tunnel deck will mirror the performance of the Pro Ride or EverRide deck.

I'm not saying that the Pro Ride will outperform the 7 Iron deck in most conditions, but I am saying that until you, me or someone else can try them side by side in the same conditions, any conclusion reached by us as to any performance difference in tall,thick or wet grass is just speculation, a hunch, a best guess or even just our somewhat biased opinions.

I think I can borrow a firends Scag with the Velocity Plus deck and if I can find a JD ZT with the 7 Iron deck, I will do a test on some of my accounts that are mostly bahia grass in the summer. The Scag and JD might cut it cleaner, although I don't see how they could cut it any cleaner, chop the clippings up more? yes. But cut cleaner, It will have to be proven to me.

I'm not trying to turn this into a Pi$$ing contest about mower decks, but I'm not sure that you can assume the performance of the JD CUT tunnel Deck will be the same as the Gravely Pro Ride / EverRide Warrior deck in the conditions that you speak of.

Maybe you could find one of the Pro Ride's to demo, or maybe someone who has an EverRide Warrior. and compare them in your area.
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Old 04-24-2012, 10:30 PM
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To the orig. Poster; sorry about temporarily hijacking this thread.
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