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Old 04-20-2012, 04:32 PM
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Got the second cut in with my 452. Again fescue mix, dry conditions but this time I side discharged. I'm still very impressed with the stripes without the stripe kit on. Nothing stuck under the deck and the clipping dispersal was great. The clippings are smaller than my velocity deck and leave a smoother finish cut in dry conditions. So far I'm very impressed in dry conditions. All we need is some rain to continue my review.
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Old 04-21-2012, 07:08 PM
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Today I got to put the 452 through a very very tough test. I mowed a thick, wet 8 inch lawn/field. The air seat was awesome as the field was really rough. A very comfortable ride. Very little engine bogging! I experienced very little scalping which my fixed deck scag does a lot of on this property. No clumping or stringers!! Deck stayed clean!! BUT I did experience what others have said. The discharge is very concentrated and doesn't spread like my velocity deck does. I was able to cure about 80% of this by taking off the chute but it is worth noting for other interested in the x-factor deck. Over all I would grade the deck a B+ in these conditions on this property. I was pleased overall and did not have to double cut!!
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:29 AM
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Just want to give everyone a quick update. I have about a dozen cuts under my belt with the 452. I'm getting ready for my first oil change at 8 hours. I must say I'm still very impressed! I have cut enough dry lawns now to say the x-factor deck leaves an amazing cut which is much smoother than my scag velocity deck in dry conditions(even some customers have commented!). I still need more time in wet grass to give an honest opinion. So far I have not had to double cut, had no stringers, no clumping and the deck has stayed clean. My early feeling is the velocity has a better discharge pattern for these conditions due to the x-factor being more concentrated(but still powerful).
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:51 AM
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Just want to give everyone a quick update. I have about a dozen cuts under my belt with the 452. I'm getting ready for my first oil change at 8 hours. I must say I'm still very impressed! I have cut enough dry lawns now to say the x-factor deck leaves an amazing cut which is much smoother than my scag velocity deck in dry conditions(even some customers have commented!). I still need more time in wet grass to give an honest opinion. So far I have not had to double cut, had no stringers, no clumping and the deck has stayed clean. My early feeling is the velocity has a better discharge pattern for these conditions due to the x-factor being more concentrated(but still powerful).

The xfactor will stay spotless clean until the paint wears off under the deck and even then it wont clog up to bad but it will require some cleaning at the end of the day if you cut in wet conditions. So far your thoughts on the xfactor are exactly like mine. It leaves a carpet smooth clean cut similar to an ultracut deck. I just wish they would make some adjustments to allow it to discharge straight out instead of down and out. It would reduce the need to double cut to clean up that line of grass that got thrown down in a skinny row on deep lawns. My new G6 blades show up today and I will put them to the test tomorrow so I will let you know how the xfactor does with them.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:14 AM
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The xfactor will stay spotless clean until the paint wears off under the deck and even then it wont clog up to bad but it will require some cleaning at the end of the day if you cut in wet conditions. So far your thoughts on the xfactor are exactly like mine. It leaves a carpet smooth clean cut similar to an ultracut deck. I just wish they would make some adjustments to allow it to discharge straight out instead of down and out. It would reduce the need to double cut to clean up that line of grass that got thrown down in a skinny row on deep lawns. My new G6 blades show up today and I will put them to the test tomorrow so I will let you know how the xfactor does with them.
ProStreet, anxious for your feed back on the G6s on this machine. What size deck and engine are you running? I demoed a 460 yesterday and looked at the factory blades. Another option I believe would be the Oregon fusion notched high lifts. I has more cutting edge which has more of a bearing on lift than cut and the notch adds some additional turbulence under the deck IMO.

I can't say enough about the Gravely sales rep. Fred Joyner and regional manager JW Washington that brought the unit clear out here for me to demo. Great guys with good information. I also got to see the Pro Stance in action and was very impressed. Anyone using or looking at a Wright stander should definitely give them a look. My review of the machine is that this is the best cutting, most comfortable, well thought out machine I have seen yet. The few things I see different that I question weather it's heavy duty enough will only be told by time. I tried hard to find negatives with the machine and I'm picky.

The only things I could find is ride height is slightly higher than my earlier Super Z which were some of the lowest. Even the new Super Z is higher than the early ones. All the bolts preset in the deck for the addition of the mulch kit sticking through is just asking to catch clippings and make it hard to clean the underside of the deck. The rep recommend just removing them and leaving them out if I'm not mulching, but being the guy I am I'll probably look for shorter bolts if they even make them or buy another set and cut them down so they are flush with the underside. The only other thing I don't care for is the no flat casters, but most brands have gone to this. I would definitely purchase the pneumatics. One odd note is the discharge chute does not hinge or fold up like all the others I've used. Instead it inserts in one position using the same attachment points as the blower for the catcher. It worked well in place and off. The only down side I see is what to do with it if you take it off.
I'd be getting the operator controlled discharge chute anyway so it's a moot point for me.

Now for the good. To many things I liked to mention! I haven't been this excited about a mower in a long time. Here are some: Tie down points all the way around which I'll never use but hey. Deck height adj. system is nice and I really like that you can lock out the transport latch so you don't accidentally latch it when floating the deck. Deck height adj. pedal adjusts. Isolated foot platform, steering sticks, seat platform, and engine cradle! I hadn't read or even heard that the engine cradle is isolated from the frame. I was originally thinking the air seat was hype. I've drive several big trucks with air ride seats that incorporate shocks in their system and they help but are far from comfortable and usually have a pogo effect. Really, all your doing is replacing spring tension cables on the typical suspension seat for air. So how much better could it really be? I have to honestly say it was the best. Smoothest I've ever operated. I have not run the Ferris or Cheetah ZTR but I do run Hustler Super Zs with the suspension seat and flex forks which are respected for their smooth ride and this hands down blows it away. The ROPS folds over to a nice height that is lower than the seat which will allow me to leave it on. Something I never thought I would be able to consider. I like the perforated floor pans and metal steps over the no-slip stickers. Metal deck pulley covers instead of plastic like some. Dry weight is only 1369 lbs. I don't know how they do it. The controls are laid out nicely on the 13.4 gallon tanks with independent gauges. It's a good looking machine all the way around. Has a high approach angle at the back which allows me to back on my trailer. This and Husky are the first mid mounts I've used that could do this. The deck pulleys are large and two piece riveted with the far right pulley already being a double for the optional install of the blower for the catcher. The controls are smooth and accurate and the sticks are fat padded and wide set giving you gobs of room. Easy steering adjustments if ever needed. Easy deck pitch adjustment if ever needed. Baffles and blades are slightly recessed so the front of deck lip will push mole hills and things flat instead of the baffles or blades hitting them. This should keep blades sharper longer. Gusseting of the deck look strong. Anti-scalp wheels are supported on both sides. Ratcheting, tethered, large gas caps, They have all the accessories I'm looking for ie. hitch, striper, bagger, lights, mulch kit, seat cover, operator controlled discharge chute, etc. The big if on this machine on paper was the rpm blade tip speeds and the small discharge shoot. I'm happy to say it's the best cutting and clipping distributing deck I've used to date. No double cutting and 99% no clumping or canopying of clippings on grass even at full stick on 8 day growth. 13 mph is slower than the 15 mph I'm use to having available but it's small price to pay and fast than many out there. The fleet discount is great.

There's more I could write but will spare you. I you have any questions or concerns about something feel free to ask and I'll tell you what I know.

Today I demo a Outlaw and then I may still demo a new Super Z.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:25 AM
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GMLC, Could you post a pic of the rear bracket mounted to the machine that the bagger attaches to? Also the rep said something about a bar that is mounted high and around the bagger to act like a bumper. Did you get this and just not mount it or is it optional? What engine are you running and how was the power with the bagger on hills?
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:15 PM
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mtmower our machine is a 2008 160Z which is a 60" cut with 25hp Kohler.

Here it is when it was new.




After a day of cutting wet grass.



Just took this the other day right after we had 1.5" of rain.




My own personal lawn cut with the xfactor at 3.5"




I will let you know how the G6 blades work out. The rolled foil high lift oem blades are far superior to notched high lifts. They create better vacuum to lift the grass up to be cut smooth. I cant stand notched blades at all to be honest. You can get exact carbon copy blades from Stens. I get my blades on ebay for about $65 shipped for two complete sets. What I do not like about our 160Z is it tears lawns up easily. It just does not turn that great for some reason. Our old lazer hp 48" turns very easily. I demoed a JD Z925A last summer and I was highly impressed with that machine. Even being 400 pounds heavier it turned so smooth and easy you almost had to force it to tear up a lawn. The 7Iron deck was awesome and threw the clippings WAYYYYY out the side and the cut quality was fantastic. That may be our next machine. JD also has the electric deck lift with thumb controls on the levers which at this point is something my dad needs in order to keep working due to his neurapothy in his legs and feet from diabetes. He has a very hard time with foot operated deck lift. The seat and ride comfort was phenomenal also.


My demo machine that I absolutely loved.



This was the middle of summer and the lawns were starting to get very stressed but this is part of my front yard.

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Old 04-26-2012, 05:21 PM
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GMLC, Could you post a pic of the rear bracket mounted to the machine that the bagger attaches to? Also the rep said something about a bar that is mounted high and around the bagger to act like a bumper. Did you get this and just not mount it or is it optional? What engine are you running and how was the power with the bagger on hills?
mtmower, tomorrow I will take some pics of the bagging system for you. Yes there is a very heavy duty bar the surrounds the top of the bagger and it comes standard not an option. It gets covered by the cloth cover. I have the 24 hp kawi(27hp old rating) and have not had any power issues bagging or in thick grass.

Great review on the 460! Honestly I believe Gravely hit the ball out of the park with the 400 series. It has raised the bar for comfort, features and fit/finish. I bought it after 15 years of being a Scag fanatic(still am). Its going to take the other companies a bit to catch up. Everything on the 400 series makes sense and is built very well. So far I am more than happy with my purchase. The only thing I can complain about is the clipping dispersal in wet thick/tall grass is not spread as good as the velocity deck dispersal. But 80% of that was cured with the chute off. This is in no way clumping and I have not had to double cut or blow the clippings. The QOC is really amazing and that was my main worry.
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Old 04-26-2012, 05:38 PM
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Oh mtmower, did the Gravely rep show you how the chute gets stored on the machine? I noticed in your review you mentioned you didnt know what to do with the chute off. Its another really cool feature.
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:01 PM
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Oh mtmower, did the Gravely rep show you how the chute gets stored on the machine? I noticed in your review you mentioned you didnt know what to do with the chute off. Its another really cool feature.
No I'm not aware. Enlighten me.
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