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Old 06-30-2012, 02:56 PM
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Lawn Boy Logic

Been letting my lawn boy logic get in the way for too long on this one I think. TELL ME IF MY LINE OF THINKING IS INCORRECT HERE.

I have known about attrimec by Gordon's for awhile now, but have always held off on purchasing it because the initial cost. That is until this coming Monday when I will be picking up my first Gallon of it.

After reading the label - the Three major plants I see it being used on (Viburnum and Eugenia and Ligustrum trees/shrubs) call for 2oz per gallon of water = 400 to 600 square foot of shrub.

According the the representatives that I have spoken to I can expect growth ******ation/ not sure why by it would not me use that word but lets call it limited growth, for 3 to 4 months from this application.

I am still working on getting chemical companies to give the best cost but right now if purchasing a gallon my cost per application (again 400 to 600 square ft to label) will be in the mid $2 range.

If I have figured this correctly it does not take much common sense (non lawn boy logic that is) to figure out that you labor saving will be realized very quickly with this product on properties with at least the three shrubs/trees listed above.

Am I missing something or has my lawn boy logic been in the way this entire time? Is the products residual truly that long? Would there not be a niche market with this that those of us with the limited license could offer, say to our existing customer base which maintain there own shrubs as we know they are not doing it because they enjoy it most of the time but rather they simply do not want to pay the cost of having them maintained by someone else.

Thoughts/Opinions on experiences with the product and my non lawn boy line of thinking about the use of this product and potential upsell niche market to potential clients?
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:25 PM
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Many shrubs at my commericals are having to be cut every other week. They grow like crazy. Does this stuff real slow them down from growing? What about the vines that grow in the shrubs that pop up after a few days from being trimmed. My commericals have about 1hr worth of shrub trimming alone on each property. I think it would be worth it if you don't have to trim for 3 months.
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:45 PM
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Many shrubs at my commericals are having to be cut every other week. They grow like crazy. Does this stuff real slow them down from growing? What about the vines that grow in the shrubs that pop up after a few days from being trimmed. My commericals have about 1hr worth of shrub trimming alone on each property. I think it would be worth it if you don't have to trim for 3 months.
The vines in the shrubs I would assume you would have to know what they are and read the label William. I am assuming you are talking about essentially a weed as it sounds as if they are not wanted there? Would dabbing them with a Round up Solution not be a better long term plan for them - using a sponge dipped in RU or a pvc glue applicator etc so that you only hit the targeted plant?

But to answer you question - assuming the information that I am being given is correct, which is what I am looking for other FL LCO's past experiences with this product in this thread, I would assume if you figure your time is worth $40 to $70 a hour - then it would not take you long to realize a return on your investment in this product - if you are spend that amount of time ( a hr on some properties doing shrubs). It would only make sense if this product works as described as you would essentially be able to just take off a few stray growths with a pair of felco inbetween applications each week and keep them very formal without much man power.

Here is the label - see for yourself if the shrubs you are most often trimming are on the label. As I said there is plenty of use for my three main fast growing shrubs that consistently need trimmed or have spurts of growth which cause a extra trip to the trailer for the trimmer and of course the time to trim and clean up.


William here is a link to the label if you want to review http://www.pbigordon.com/pdfs/Atrimmec-SL.pdf

So anyone with experience want to share? Positive/Negative reviews.
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:59 PM
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Atrimmec acts by killing the apical meristem. What I find is that there is some phytotoxicity, however the end effect is that the plant stays shorter and fills out. I have used it on stemmy hibiscus for that reason.

In my area, I do not know why growth regulators are unpopular. There is no such thing as leaving cuttings on property or at the curb. Landscapers must pay an arm and a leg for disposal unless they also have a 2 or 3 acre yard where they can dump stuff and let it rot. A rig like my engine drive backpack with disc-core nozzles would be the idea means to apply. 7 gallons applied in 7 minutes.
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:55 PM
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Around here in my area the accesss clippings get blown under the shrubs(4-6 weeks of growth) If the shrubs are out of control then people bag them up. This is how most lco's do it around here or they blow the clippings into the yard to be mulched up by mower.
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:58 PM
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Blow anything under the plants and there will be drama. The expectation is that clippings of any kind are cleaned up. Be it grass clippings or hedge/shrub clippings.
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Old 06-30-2012, 06:59 PM
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Blow anything under the plants and there will be drama. The expectation is that clippings of any kind are cleaned up. Be it grass clippings or hedge/shrub clippings.
William has it right that it is a accepted practice to blow short growth trimming right under the shrub. Is this the best practice..no...but it is a commonly accepted practice here by many in the commercial market for sure and even most of the home owner market. The best you can do is inform the consumer of why they should be removed and price it both ways for regular trimmings. The consumer is at least that way given the choice. I do have a few that are willing to pay for the extra time spent cleaning up the debris ...other still who do not but have nice enough looking properties that I will be a regular lawn boy and clean it up for free just because it bothers me too much, however, there are those that do not care about there properties that are essentially just paying to "have the lawn and shrubs cut" and if they do not care but still want to pay then I figure I am still open for business, there are way too many trailers on the road in Florida for me to tell a customer that I simply would refuse to do it, and I am smart enough not to do it for free on all properties, because I know in the end, if I can not give them the desired look they want at the price the market will bare..someone else will.
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I can tell you pgr's save you time. Time that you can apply at the next job. New growth is generally smaller and stunted. Making very little debris in the bed to blow under the bushes or in the yard to mulch. The only time we need to bag is when we let the plant gets overgrown or a clean up job. We actually still trim often but it is mostly the eye soars.
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Atrimmec acts by killing the apical meristem. What I find is that there is some phytotoxicity, however the end effect is that the plant stays shorter and fills out. I have used it on stemmy hibiscus for that reason.

In my area, I do not know why growth regulators are unpopular. There is no such thing as leaving cuttings on property or at the curb. Landscapers must pay an arm and a leg for disposal unless they also have a 2 or 3 acre yard where they can dump stuff and let it rot. A rig like my engine drive backpack with disc-core nozzles would be the idea means to apply. 7 gallons applied in 7 minutes.
I can agree with disposal from your explanation. If it was not commonly accepted to leave for the homeowner to dispose of on their yard waste day here, a lco would incur great cost with waste produced in a given week from the cost of actually having enough space to hold all the debris, the time to dispose of it as well as the cost.

My thoughts with the redirected growth is that it maybe helpful to many of these shrubs, for example the older viburnum, which have been kept small and formal for many many years, all the leaves are on the outside two inches at most, if growth is redirected to create a more dense shrub I can not imagine that being a bad thing.
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I can tell you pgr's save you time. Time that you can apply at the next job. New growth is generally smaller and stunted. Making very little debris in the bed to blow under the bushes or in the yard to mulch. The only time we need to bag is when we let the plant gets overgrown or a clean up job. We actually still trim often but it is mostly the eye soars.
That has been my understanding so far - the any growth that does occur is small and can be easily removed with a pair a felcos along the way which is not a issue as we always have on us vs going back to the trailer and grabbing the trimmer, then either the blower or the rack and garbage bag. I am hoping that this statements hold true.

How long have you used and does the gordons attrimmic seam to be the best value to you? Any other thoughts? I am starting with this one as I have been told by a few people that it is the best overall bang for the buck.
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