Lawn Boy Logic

[Patriot Services]

I've used Atrimmec for years. Primarily on Viburnum and Holly. Saves a ton of man hours this time of year. Label is spot on for app rate. Beware bounce back if you miss a dose. Yes you will notice more density. Clippings usually disappear when the mulch gets fluffed. Never had a complaint. Its more like green confetti than long clippings.
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[Landscape Poet]

Originally Posted by Patriot Services

I've used Atrimmec for years. Primarily on Viburnum and Holly. Saves a ton of man hours this time of year. Label is spot on for app rate. Beware bounce back if you miss a dose. Yes you will notice more density. Clippings usually disappear when the mulch gets fluffed. Never had a complaint. Its more like green confetti than long clippings.
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So in your experiance, Viburnum, do you experience 3 months or more of controlled growth? Are you allowing a bounce back period or applying again within a targeted time frame to keep them consistently easy to maintain?

Any Experience with Ligustrum and Eugenia ?

[Duekster]

I have only used Cutless which controls over all growth. I think the one you are talking about controls vertical growth and promote horizontal growth. I think Green Dr alluded to this as well. I have never used it.

Those vines are a PITA and you have to find them and cut then at the ground. If possible pull them but that is not always so easy. Even without a PGR they will cause grief.

I think you can leave some clipping blown back under the shrubs but the lion share should be removed. Clippings can cup water and promote mesquites too.

We can dump them and better yet take them to a mulching facility offered by many land-field operations.
I do get tired to pay for stuff to be mulched and paying to buy the mulch but such is life.

Nothing should go down the storm drains. It is against the federal law. While it maybe common practice, you do not want to be the guy that makes the headlines when the government decides to send a message. Clients also want to seen as greener. If you want to shred and mulch then that is another program.

Some times it takes a few applications for the PGR's to kick in. I hit myown shrubs and they did not grow much for 18 months. They do work but it varies by plant type and app rate. Clip and treat per the lable, often they should happen at the same time or within 10 days.

[Patriot Services]

Originally Posted by Landscape Poet

So in your experiance, Viburnum, do you experience 3 months or more of controlled growth? Are you allowing a bounce back period or applying again within a targeted time frame to keep them consistently easy to maintain?

Any Experience with Ligustrum and Eugenia ?

3 months is about right. Tried it on Ligustrums with good results too. Just keep the app even. No idea on the Eugenia. I've had some Viburnum that haven't been majorly trimmed in 3 years. Waiting a week after trimming before applying eliminates any yellowing or browning.
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[Landscape Poet]

Originally Posted by Patriot Services

3 months is about right. Tried it on Ligustrums with good results too. Just keep the app even. No idea on the Eugenia. I've had some Viburnum that haven't been majorly trimmed in 3 years. Waiting a week after trimming before applying eliminates any yellowing or browning.
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Thanks for the info. The Rep told me it is best to treat right after they have been trimmed. The label say dependent on look desired formal or natural that you can wait up to three days. This is the type of advice I was looking for - real life tried and true experience.

Thanks for all that have had input up to this and I would appreciate any additional inputs from those that have used (good or bad) but as for now it is sounding like a win/win situation.

[Duekster]

Originally Posted by Landscape Poet

Thanks for the info. The Rep told me it is best to treat right after they have been trimmed. The label say dependent on look desired formal or natural that you can wait up to three days. This is the type of advice I was looking for - real life tried and true experience.

Thanks for all that have had input up to this and I would appreciate any additional inputs from those that have used (good or bad) but as for now it is sounding like a win/win situation.

FWIW, cutless is a granular so the yellowing is not an issue.

[Landscape Poet]

Originally Posted by Duekster

FWIW, cutless is a granular so the yellowing is not an issue.

A granular would be a good approach but I am comfortable with the liquid as I do a good amount of fert and pest control on the shrubs and liquids is my primary method because I can ensure a good micro blend is being added.

Would you happen to have rough estimates on our cost per say every 100 square foot of shrubs with the cutless?

[Duekster]

Originally Posted by Landscape Poet

A granular would be a good approach but I am comfortable with the liquid as I do a good amount of fert and pest control on the shrubs and liquids is my primary method because I can ensure a good micro blend is being added.

Would you happen to have rough estimates on our cost per say every 100 square foot of shrubs with the cutless?

I spray everything except cutless.

I will have to look up my cost in the AM

[greendoctor]

Originally Posted by Landscape Poet

I can agree with disposal from your explanation. If it was not commonly accepted to leave for the homeowner to dispose of on their yard waste day here, a lco would incur great cost with waste produced in a given week from the cost of actually having enough space to hold all the debris, the time to dispose of it as well as the cost.

My thoughts with the redirected growth is that it maybe helpful to many of these shrubs, for example the older viburnum, which have been kept small and formal for many many years, all the leaves are on the outside two inches at most, if growth is redirected to create a more dense shrub I can not imagine that being a bad thing.

The homeowners here have zero tolerance for any debris left in the landscape. If you tell them that leaving clippings under the shrubs is good for them, they will think you are too lazy to clean them up and they will find someone who will pick up everything. Same is true of grass clippings. Because of this, there is no such thing as a cheap lawn and if the lawn is 1/4 acre or more then the price does not come down due to size because of then need to pick up. Where it gets funny are the properties where they are chock full of palms and shrubs. You actually do not want that kind of account because people do not realize how bulky and hard to handle the trash is. Now if there were a safe way to stunt palm trees, I would be very happy. I hate palms. Do not like to see them in residential landscapes at all.

[Duekster]

Originally Posted by Landscape Poet

A granular would be a good approach but I am comfortable with the liquid as I do a good amount of fert and pest control on the shrubs and liquids is my primary method because I can ensure a good micro blend is being added.

Would you happen to have rough estimates on our cost per say every 100 square foot of shrubs with the cutless?

As a follow up.

again dose depends on plant height mass and how woody. More woody means more product.

Non-woody about $3 per 100 sf
Woody about $5.00 per 100 sf.

You need to trim within a few days of application and will likely need a couple of dose before you see a major change. From there light touch up twice a year should do it.

Sounds higher than your product