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Old 07-12-2012, 03:16 PM
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Horticulture is far more complicated than turf care.

Horticulture is the science, art, technology and business involved in intensive plant cultivation for human use. It is practiced from the individual level in a garden up to the activities of a multinational corporation. It is very diverse in its activities, incorporating plants for food (fruits, vegetables, mushrooms, culinary herbs) and non-food crops (flowers, trees and shrubs, turf-grass, hops, grapes, medicinal herbs). It also includes related services in plant conservation, landscape restoration, landscape and garden design/construction/maintenance, horticultural therapy, and much more. This wide range of food, medicinal, environmental, and social products and services are all fundamental to developing and maintaining human health and well-being. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horticulture

Let's not even get into this discussion here with only a few sentences per post.
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:51 PM
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Horticulture is far more complicated than turf care.

Horticulture is the science, art, technology and business involved in intensive plant cultivation for human use. It is practiced from the individual level in a garden up to the activities of a multinational corporation. It is very diverse in its activities, incorporating plants for food (fruits, vegetables, mushrooms, culinary herbs) and non-food crops (flowers, trees and shrubs, turf-grass, hops, grapes, medicinal herbs). It also includes related services in plant conservation, landscape restoration, landscape and garden design/construction/maintenance, horticultural therapy, and much more. This wide range of food, medicinal, environmental, and social products and services are all fundamental to developing and maintaining human health and well-being. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horticulture

Let's not even get into this discussion here with only a few sentences per post.
According to that definition, turf care and horticulture shouldn't even be discussed together, unless people decide to start eating their turf.
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:34 PM
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Yeah, but that a the standard definition.
http://www.ahs.org/
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/horticulture
But horticulture also includes Landscape horticulture involves the design, installation, and maintenance of both outdoor and indoor environments.
http://www.nifa.usda.gov/funding/pdf...alty_crops.pdf

My point is maintaining landscapes involve much more knowledge and wisdom than turf care.
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:14 PM
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Yeah, but that a the standard definition.
http://www.ahs.org/
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/horticulture
But horticulture also includes Landscape horticulture involves the design, installation, and maintenance of both outdoor and indoor environments.
http://www.nifa.usda.gov/funding/pdf...alty_crops.pdf

My point is maintaining landscapes involve much more knowledge and wisdom than turf care.
Now I'm curious, what is your definition of "turf care"?
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:32 PM
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^^^ perhaps go back and read the part that clearly states "it is very diverse in it's activities"
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Back to the original question.

Axe, what do you think constitutes "healthy soil"? I've seen healthy plants grown in many different soils. I've also seen a lot of unhealthy looking plants grown in what appears to be healthy soil so..........
That is why I think the question is important, so that we would know the reason,,, that an unhealthy plant is unhealthy...
Turf issues come up all the time and we never think as horticulturalist dealing with the husbandry of grass,,, but only quick, 1 step solutions rather than looking at the total environment of a single grass plant...

I am abandoning the idea of talking about anything indepth on this forum... any attempt to establish a train of thought will be derailed instantly... we are a culture of soundbites and cliches and if anyone disagrees it is only personal attacks... in fact looking at the soil at all is mocked, so you can't talk about soil on this forum...
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That is why I think the question is important, so that we would know the reason,,, that an unhealthy plant is unhealthy...
Turf issues come up all the time and we never think as horticulturalist dealing with the husbandry of grass,,, but only quick, 1 step solutions rather than looking at the total environment of a single grass plant...

I am abandoning the idea of talking about anything indepth on this forum... any attempt to establish a train of thought will be derailed instantly... we are a culture of soundbites and cliches and if anyone disagrees it is only personal attacks... in fact looking at the soil at all is mocked, so you can't talk about soil on this forum...
Yes the holistic view is needed. I like to use biologicals as a part of my program others call it snake oil.
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Old 07-13-2012, 05:52 PM
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Look at the big picture guys.It's more than just soil. Actually, healthy plants can be grown without soil at all. Ever heard of hydroponics? Light,water,something to anchor to ........
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Old 07-14-2012, 12:13 AM
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Yes the holistic view is needed. I like to use biologicals as a part of my program others call it snake oil.
Its not snake oil when integrated into a complete program. I am not 100% chemical. Most certainly not 100% organic. Organics are used when indicated and in conjunction with not instead of suitable fertilizers. Some of the claims made for "organic" products remind me of when alchemists were the pinnacle of knowledge. Trying to create gold from other elements. Same is true of plant nutrition. Garbage in garbage out and if an element is not present in necessary quantities, organic matter is not a substitute.
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:11 AM
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Plants from seed or graft,etc. is subject to natural selection. You can plant a row of corn, soybean, rice,whatever and have variations of outcome. Grass just like any other type of living organism is subject to environmental stress. Living conditions plays a role, and so does the genetic relationship with the host. Poor genetic hosts will not fair well!! I believe that you can plant 15 of the same species of shrub, flower, grass type, tree and there will always be a 1/3 that will not fair well. It isn't always due to environmental issues....it is natural selection. Something went wrong in the DNA chain.
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