Tough wiring problem

[Duekster]

Originally Posted by Mike Leary

I would assume the op had tried everything already, he's on it, just relax.

I recall you once telling me not to assume the OP had tried everything.
I know you have lots of experience but do not slam me when I make a valid post but challenge me at the same time.

If the common and station wire got crossed then swapping lines should tell us something. If not then no harm.

Cheers

[Mike Leary]

Originally Posted by Duekster

I recall you once telling me not to assume the OP had tried everything.
I know you have lots of experience but do not slam me when I make a valid post but challenge me at the same time.

If the common and station wire got crossed then swapping lines should tell us something. If not then no harm.

Cheers

I was not slaming or challenging you, I was bringing up a point that that all my techs missed over the years: they spent more time and money coming up with 240,000 reasons why we had a problem, rather than just dealing with it, who cares what happened? Fix it, now.

[Duekster]

QUOTE=Mike Leary;4490449]I was not slaming you, I was bringing up a point that that all my techs missed over the years: they spent more time and money coming up with 240,00 reasons why we had a problem, than just dealing with it, who cares what happened? Fix it, now.[/QUOTE]



I will spend about 1 hour trouble shooting ( and inspecting) at my service call rate. If it is not fixed then I quote a repair. I live ( and die) by the quote.

[1idejim]

Originally Posted by Duekster

Likely but not always.

there is always something that can make a liar out of any of us but i feel confident in this situation

How else could a valve be getting a hot from the controller with the wire disconected at the controller?

by direct contact of the valve wire and the pumpstart wire in the field, if the common wire were the culprit then the wire wouldn't run with the valve wire disconnected at the controller.

We do not know how the common is run either. We also do not know the valve is not the end run.

i have found that common wires are common wires, they only service the wires they support but when joined at the controller, they still only service the valves they support.

you can have 12 common wires from 12 wire paths coming into a junction box where they are all joined, a single wire running to the controller. when joined the single wire services all 12 wire paths. the controller sends the voltage to the valve wire, the supporting common serves as the return path for the activated valve.

[Mike Leary]

Originally Posted by Duekster

I will spend about 1 hour trouble shooting ( and inspecting) at my service call rate. If it is not fixed then I quote a repair. I live ( and die) by the quote.

Sometimes it's just best to do the obvious.

[AI Inc]

Originally Posted by Mike Leary

Sometimes it's just best to do the obvious.

What he said

[CAPT Stream Rotar]

Originally Posted by 1idejim

there is always something that can make a liar out of any of us but i feel confident in this situation



by direct contact of the valve wire and the pumpstart wire in the field, if the common wire were the culprit then the wire wouldn't run with the valve wire disconnected at the controller.



i have found that common wires are common wires, they only service the wires they support but when joined at the controller, they still only service the valves they support.

you can have 12 common wires from 12 wire paths coming into a junction box where they are all joined, a single wire running to the controller. when joined the single wire services all 12 wire paths. the controller sends the voltage to the valve wire, the supporting common serves as the return path for the activated valve.

Not to get off topic here, Jim, the other day I was trying to find a valve.

I after 30 mins I put the MM back on the each of the commons on the clock..and found something odd. the valve wire its respective common were on 2 different wires...Meaning when I was putting my 521a ground lead on common and red lead on the valve wire I got nothing.. And boy was I pissed...

I admit I was moving to fast..

[Wet_Boots]

I was having a swell time (not) looking for valves the other day with my (mumble mumble) locator, and I was getting all kinds of false positives, including the copper house supply line.

[Duekster]

Originally Posted by 1idejim

there is always something that can make a liar out of any of us but i feel confident in this situation



by direct contact of the valve wire and the pumpstart wire in the field, if the common wire were the culprit then the wire wouldn't run with the valve wire disconnected at the controller.



i have found that common wires are common wires, they only service the wires they support but when joined at the controller, they still only service the valves they support.

you can have 12 common wires from 12 wire paths coming into a junction box where they are all joined, a single wire running to the controller. when joined the single wire services all 12 wire paths. the controller sends the voltage to the valve wire, the supporting common serves as the return path for the activated valve.

That would make to logical place to look for a cross connection is at the pump controller.

[CAPT Stream Rotar]

Originally Posted by Wet_Boots

I was having a swell time (not) looking for valves the other day with my (mumble mumble) locator, and I was getting all kinds of false positives, including the copper house supply line.

521???? blue box?


I can find conduit from time to time.