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Old 08-26-2012, 05:21 PM
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No need for school. It's funny you say that. When I was a LESCO associate. The hort professor at velencia college used to have me come by to discuss turfgrass science as a guest speaker in his class when he was covering pesticide use because of my ability to metaphor it to be easy understood . PS. He also took notes. Again, as I've been told on this forum that I talk down to everyone. I guess I have used poor choices in words, marking myself a jerk. Again 14 years using pesticides to 13 years selling and studying them. I believe I have a fair grasp on proper application technique. Just because you don't know it yet does not make it untrue. I've even picked up dimes from the floors of random customers warehouses... with their forklift...just to win a
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Maybe their are tricks I know that you do not and vice versa. The point is. I hope not to show the same disregard of someones experiences since its something they did vs something they read.
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I bow to your magnificence... nonetheless, I wouldn't let you spread composted cow manure on my properties let alone chemicals. The law says the label and the label is the law.
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Old 08-26-2012, 07:14 PM
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I bow to your magnificence... nonetheless, I wouldn't let you spread composted cow manure on my properties let alone chemicals. The law says the label and the label is the law.
No. Just a regular mortal. Just hard to swallow the disbelief that for the amount of time I've been involved w/ atrazine I wouldn't know the 101 things. Im not like the guy's I've known WHO for many years say the same thing "Hey man, like how much round up goes in here.
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Old 08-26-2012, 07:20 PM
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Old 08-26-2012, 07:51 PM
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Last thing ill say about atrazine. Please read the label. Don't rely on my words 4 100% accuracy. I believe atrazines label says, can be applied between Sept 16 thru April 16 or something like that. Later it says do not apply when temp exceed 90 deg. Now March thru April for 2012 were what, come on you can say it. Super hot right. Now one section says OK to spray in March & April. Yet another part says I can't because it's to hot. I don't think its a mater of superseedment™. It would be on the label, but they didn't know it could happen. Because it's an unpredictable situation that research can't show. That's why I trust my judgment more. The label also says its bad for fish and frogs. And I believe that under any conditions which may come. I'll also turn anyone in, who would test that part of the research.
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Old 08-26-2012, 08:23 PM
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You guys are bursting with great experience. That's obvious. Every one here's mentions stuff I didn't know. I've read stuff I don't know what the hell. More minds, more progress. Better prograss than that selective herbicide for Bermuda in St. Aug called prograss.
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Old 08-26-2012, 08:31 PM
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I think you will fit in fine.... I learn a lot every day. You might think we are a clan but we are not. We debate and discuss often.

We will not advocate the use of house hold products to treat however. Nothing wrong with organics but I think household soap in organics thread would not go over well either. It could but I doubt that is OMRI listed

It will take a while to live that down.
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Old 08-26-2012, 08:38 PM
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You disqualified yourself from knowledge when you mentioned Jerry Baker stuff...

It might be ok for a homeowner to use, but I cannot use it per the law.

A homeowner can kill fire ants with gasoline...I'd lose my applicators license if I did the same.
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Old 08-26-2012, 09:24 PM
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Using the detergent and organics is not my practice. The meat of the original question I answered was he was looking for something he could tell his customers to use that was "simple and easy ". So soap.
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Old 08-27-2012, 10:44 AM
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1) So I guess you don't use baking soda for crabgrass right? I think your problem is you are too book experienced. Closed minded. If the label says it, it must be true. you've spent to much time learning what other people say vs what your over 40 years of experience tells you. I roll my own way, never cut and paste. Your short changing your customers by staying in the box. My customers prefer a more natural control than a synthetic pyrethroid that's worn out, over used and not a true residual. You use it because its cheap. Talstar has a better molecule, too much $ ay. I'm not saying it works but most would agree it works better. If I were you I would be upset to. I'm a guy who never went to (school) for this. Well your kind of edumacation (check spelling pls). My school from 18 to 45 has been in the landscape. I pay attention, remember things and how the environment works from record rains to record droughts and anything in between. I've never read many labels, though I know most products by what they "really" do not what controlled test study's show or labels tell me. I'm open minded. If I thought I was the most knowledgeable person here I would probably use spell check to prove it, but I don't. So that settles that. Oh, I don't want to be THE expert but I am an EXPERT. I'm not trying to publish anything here or I would be really be letting it role. I'm saving some for later. The fact is I never visit my customers only phone contact or e-mailed pictures from them. I usually take an account that's fed-up with poor results from different services. After 6 to 8 weeks their landscapes are on cruise control. My customers almost never use insecticides or herbicides. I guide them over the phone, never visit them and their always asked who they have for service because their landscape screams green under all environmental adversity. Then I get another lead. I mean account. The fact is my customers landscapes out perform ones visited 6-7 times a year by techs. I'm very proactive when it comes to potential landscape failures. Yea i'm that good. So do I think i'm an expert, YES. Can I spell good, ( I mean well ) NO. Since spelling has nothing to do with keeping landscapes healthy and problem free. I guess your school taught good spelling. My school taught me the necessary things beyond spelling. Good day to you Sir! P.S. keep up on applying pesticides that seems to work best for YOU.
LOL. My experience has taught me a few things...one of which is that referring to yourself as an expert usually signifies the opposite. It must be so nice to always be the B.M.O.C. with non-malodorus feces.

I'm also rather mystified that your Lesco training did not instill in you the legalities of applying pesticides in anything other than strict label adherence.

I do apologize if I ruffled your feelings. All I was attempting to relate to you is that there are many intelligent thinkers on this site. You came roaring in as the one, the greatest know-it-all... with all the answers.
Sort of...our Obama. You may have chapped some butts with that approach.

Good day Sir.
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:28 PM
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Yep first impression was "NOT GOOD" and not better yet! I'm trying to start a dialect I feel is important about our business. I mean no disrespect. Have you ever asked your tech. or techs. how did your lawns look today. they say great. do you say "that's good!" or do you ask how much fert they used and when they say 15 bags or 2 tons. would you then say "what the hell did you waste so much product and money. how about it didn't need mowing but we did it anyway. "WHAT" I like that stuff. I read mostly about product use. Did too much of that stuff. I prefer talking about why it's not needed as much. only thing i share in common is "hope and change".... wait, no i don't i don't share anything with him. my bad.
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