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Old 10-02-2012, 12:34 AM
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[QUOTE=jrs.landscaping;4542007]Have them pass a knowledge exam of air brake systems just like people with a CDL have to do to operate air brakes. Also in regards to one of your earlier posts, an x endorsement is required if hauling more than 119 gal of a flammable liquid in a non CMV.[/QUOTE

Actually you would need a class C with the proper endorsements
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:58 AM
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Read the manual and it does not appear as an endorsement but as a restriction.

Now we're getting somewhere.

So going back to the original question, if you haven't passed a knowledge exam regarding air brakes whether over or under 26k, how can you operate that vehicle legally? Is this one of those RV type rules, like where people driving tamdem axle RV's don't need a CDL?
Because, if a CDL is not required for a vehicle under 26K, you can't get an air brake restriction on something that is not required, BY LAW. Not your opinion, but the law.

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Why would it apply to an under CDL vehicle.

Were you dropped on your head or something when you were little?

MarkO, do you suppose he thinks you need a tanker endorsment for an under CDL truck too.
I'm sure he does.

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My post wasn't a fact it was my opinion. 80 year olds driving RV's with two drive axles require no training, and no one regulates them. That was what I was getting at. Same with air brakes under CDL, does the driver have knowledge to pre trip the air system to make sure it is safe? Is it right in my opnion, no, but those are the rules.
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Have them pass a knowledge exam of air brake systems just like people with a CDL have to do to operate air brakes. Also in regards to one of your earlier posts, an x endorsement is required if hauling more than 119 gal of a flammable liquid in a non CMV.
You do know what CDL stands for, don't you?

Specifically the "C"?

As an aside, I'd like to see an RV with air brakes and 1 axle. Heck of a balancing act.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:16 AM
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only problem with any truck over f-350 or 3500 is that it will require a CDL license since it will be over 10,000 gvwr at least that's how it will is in ohio. meaning a higher insurance rate, title, taxes, plates

if you're pulling that large of a trailer i wouldn't buy a gasser
A CDL is for the use of air brakes / air suspension, and should be governed by the FMCSA (federal standards). Should not be for anything over 10kgvwr. In Illinois, anything 16,001 gvwr and over require a C license. I would call your state office for clarification on what's required.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:31 AM
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A CDL is for the use of air brakes / air suspension, and should be governed by the FMCSA (federal standards)
OMG that is funny right there. Air suspension?


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In Illinois, anything 16,001 gvwr and over require a C license.
But not a class C CDL right?
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:43 AM
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A CDL is for the use of air brakes / air suspension, and should be governed by the FMCSA (federal standards).
Haven't we gone over this already?

This statement is false.

Then, throwing air suspension into the mix makes it more humorous. Or maybe sad.

Please tell me where there is anything relating to air suspension vs spring in a CDL manual that relates to licensing.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:44 AM
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Hey Duff, where does this stuff come from?

Air suspension? CDL? Seriously?
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:54 AM
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Hey Duff, where does this stuff come from?

Air suspension? CDL? Seriously?
Public School System?
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:43 AM
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So my buddy needs a CDL to drive his Lincoln with air suspension?
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Old 10-02-2012, 10:09 AM
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So my buddy needs a CDL to drive his Lincoln with air suspension?
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:18 PM
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I'm pretty sure I said drive axles, you know the things that power the unit. Air suspension is completely different from what I was referring to. Also in the manual it does say that air brakes are classified as an endorsement. The only false statement I made was saying it was shown on my license, which only proves I never look at my license.
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