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Old 12-14-2012, 05:55 PM
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RSK yea I saw your dads dump in the fall rigs thread that thing is useful. If I could only have one truck it would be the 4x4 NPR type with two bodies the dump and vanscape. That will never happen though. Right now none of my clean ups have to hauled off. But they are big properties that can't be pushed to the curb because it's too far or there wouldn't be enough curb space to fit them all if they weren't chopped up by the vac. Did you get the clamshell or the three bin on the cheetah?? Even with all the leaves I do I only have one where I could use a bagger. I'm in the woods with little to no grass and lots of rocks.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:11 PM
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RSK yea I saw your dads dump in the fall rigs thread that thing is useful. If I could only have one truck it would be the 4x4 NPR type with two bodies the dump and vanscape. That will never happen though. Right now none of my clean ups have to hauled off. But they are big properties that can't be pushed to the curb because it's too far or there wouldn't be enough curb space to fit them all if they weren't chopped up by the vac. Did you get the clamshell or the three bin on the cheetah?? Even with all the leaves I do I only have one where I could use a bagger. I'm in the woods with little to no grass and lots of rocks.
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i went with the triple bagger it holds more, and it cost more too....oh well.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:50 PM
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thanks everyone for the responses.

casey, so you have your leaf loader mounted onto a cart? and you can move it around the property? what kind of cart? I am guessing it is not sufficent to tow behind your truck, but it fits inside your trailer? I am not sure what you mean about lift like hell, but i am guessing you mean lifting the 225+ LB leaf loader?
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I have mine with me all the time along with a ZTR,walkbehind blower and BP blowers. Its on a little cart with wheels and I roll it off the trailer and put it in the hitch and go on. When I have to dump I can't fit the cart underneath it anymore so I just pull it out go dump and try to have the back of the truck pointed down hill if possible. Think real hard about how much tarping leaves sucks and tilt it back and lift like hell!!! I'm not saying it is easy or I get it on the first try every time but it's possible. The loader is a 16hp trac vac. The ideal way is to have it mounted where you don't have to take it off and can still pull a trailer. When I get a bigger truck that is what I'm going to do. Also I'm a small guy 5,8 150lbs.
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:20 AM
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It's a furniture mover type cart. 12 inches tall by 2 1/2 wide I'd say. The only time I use it is for on and off the trailer. I only have a half ton truck so once it's loaded, I can't fit the cart under it anymore. If you had a 3/4 or larger it would fit and work perfect. That is what the guy I bought it from did. That way you can just tilt it back and get it started in the hitch then slide it in. I use lots of anti seize in the hitch. Without it, it's too impossible.
RSK - I thought the clamshell bagger was more expensive but held more. I haven't really looked at it. Is it aggregating to unload the three bin vs. just dumping it from the seat with the clamshell?
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:33 AM
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Yes, I do have to lift the leaf loader by myself. I only have to lift the front end to get it started in the hitch. Then I get behind it, push it, and slide the rest in the hitch. It's not ideal, but what I have to work with now. Probably not the safest either. My wife doesn't like it...
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:33 AM
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Hello RSK,
thanks for the info. So you mostly just run the leaves over with a bagger on the mower and dump the bag into your truck? I can see that working good for regular accounts, but being kind of difficult for a lawn that is covered deep in leaves that hasnt been maintenanced in a month or more.
I have a exmark metro 36" walk behind with a 2.2cubic ft grass gobbler. I dont know if you know if that would work well, i guess i have to some experiments.
i cant believe you are making 300 or 400 for 1 hour. that is awesome. is this like a 1/4 lot or bigger?
thanks alot man. good luck

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that's actually how I did the majority of my clean ups this year, works pretty good especially with the scag cheetah i bought in june with a 34hp engine, and a bagger i bought new in the end off september, I just continue to cut all my lawns every week or every other week depending on what they need, and bag them, then once the grass stops growing, and the leaves are all down, I blow all the beds out and bag the lawn for a final time, comes out pretty mint, and takes a lot less time for the final clean up. and I charge the same price as every year before, so the customer is happy there lawn looks good all the time, and there is no price increase and i'm happy because I just made 3-400 in an hour or less usually. the other clean ups I do that aren't my regular lawn customers i'm going to really push hard next spring to switch to having me do the lawn all year and then their clean ups will fly too vs. spending 3-4hrs on a 400 dollar clean up. It really is the most efficient way to do a clean up. i suppose someone will argue that its more wear and tear on the mower or something dumb like that but i really don't care, because i'm making enough to buy a new cheetah every year, with a bagger system. but obviously i don't need that, i may consider a second cheetah and bagger system next year depending on how things go in the spring but i certainly don't need another one yet.



that would be me. some yards up here have literally over 2000lbs of leaves that have to be hauled away each year. I am using my dads mitsubishi fuso cab over dump truck and it literally holds almost 15 yards, its a 12ft mason dump with 3 or 4ft metal sides welded on, and its 7ft wide, i don't even put a box on it, its so big already and the leaf vac shreds the leaves pretty well, so honestly I only dump once a day when i'm done for the day after I disconnect my trailer, but yah if had to dump more then once per day it would be pretty annoying. that's why when i get my own dump truck i'm mounting the leaf vac in the front on the truck in the plow frame, that way it stays on the truck for the whole leaf season.
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:34 AM
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thank you casey, i appreciate it

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It's a furniture mover type cart. 12 inches tall by 2 1/2 wide I'd say. The only time I use it is for on and off the trailer. I only have a half ton truck so once it's loaded, I can't fit the cart under it anymore. If you had a 3/4 or larger it would fit and work perfect. That is what the guy I bought it from did. That way you can just tilt it back and get it started in the hitch then slide it in. I use lots of anti seize in the hitch. Without it, it's too impossible.
RSK - I thought the clamshell bagger was more expensive but held more. I haven't really looked at it. Is it aggregating to unload the three bin vs. just dumping it from the seat with the clamshell?
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Old 12-15-2012, 01:51 PM
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Solo op here.
I mount my leaf loader on the front of my truck using a front mount receiver. I tow my enclosed trailer to the job with all equipment necessary. At the job site I disconnect the trailer and I can move my truck into whatever position necessary to make collecting the leaves the easiest. Sometimes I have one huge pile, sometimes I'll have 2 or 3 smaller piles throughout the property, and other times I have the leaves lining the curb where I suck up about 10-12 feet worth of leaves, move the truck forward, and proceed to suck up the rest until the job is done.
In my honest opinion there is no other efficient way for a solo op to do it. You can put the loader on your trailer but then that limits you as to where you can put your piles and maneuver your truck. You could purchase a loader with a separate tow behind trailer but then that requires you to drop off main trailer and pick up loader trailer which is non efficient.
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Old 12-15-2012, 02:44 PM
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Yeah I don't see loading a ton of leaves, most I've ever hauled is a thousand pounds and most of my loads are in the 400-700 pound range, the loading is best done EARLY when the leaves are still dry, the later it gets in the season the harder the jobs become... Get a smaller tarp, or don't load it as full.
Of course now it takes more trips to the trailer...

The problem is a trailer such as what you folks speak of costs 6 or 7 thousand dollars, especially considering I need almost a full ton truck to pull it and it requires tires and more maintenance too. With my regular trailer, if I take 1,000 loads in the next 20 years I just got paid 10 dollars a load for NOT using a dump trailer.

To keep the leaves from flying off I secure tarps to the trailer with spring clips, thou I like the ratchet straps idea a lot too.

To unload...

Before I load the trailer I lay stretch a chain from front down center to the back of the trailer, it has hooks on both ends, the front hook I clip onto the front of the trailer... Just like the guy who lays down a tarp but all I lay down is a length of chain right smack down center of the trailer... Then, I load the leaves.

When I get to the dump site I find a BIG log to back up against.
Then I grab a 16 or so foot strap from back of truck and hook that to the front hook of the chain I laid out earlier, pull that over top and to the back... When I get to the back I have another 8 foot chain I loop around the log and hook to both the strap and the laid down chain.

Then I get in my truck and drive it forward.
Blammo, the entire load comes off.

You'd think the chain would just slice through the center of that load of leaves and pull almost nothing off.
But oddly enough with the exception of a few leaves that scrape the sides of the trailer the whole load comes off in one try, all it takes is two minutes with a blower to get what little is left behind.

Then I collect chains and strap and get on down the road.

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