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Old 01-24-2013, 11:10 PM
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CL&T: I'm not even going to bother replying to that ignorance BS you conjured up simply because of the fact that I proved you wrong.

Jrs.Landscaping: Hey, as far as I know its legal down here but I'll double check for ya.

Will: I am paying them AFTER the entire campaign. So far we have 25 people ready for the job and they will be given all the possible outcomes for this and will understand. There is a high chance they will get more sales in the 2nd or 3rd drops to the same houses since its a multi step campaign.

Down here door hangers aren't popular whatsoever. Direct mail and flyers are basically the only forms of direct marketing. Door hangers create maximum exposure and will be read no matter what since they stand out in this area. Direct mail and flyers just get thrown out right away when its seen as an advertisement and at the same time it will cost way more start up money then my budget to distribute and create then door hangers. This is mass direct marketing for this demographic all at the fraction of the price. Like I said I will let you all know how it goes down.

My door hangers are already being shipped as we speak.
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Old 01-25-2013, 01:05 AM
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CL&T: I'm not even going to bother replying to that ignorance BS you conjured up simply because of the fact that I proved you wrong.
Proved me wrong? You haven't even done anything yet. Let me see if I can explain it to you another way. Say I'm tired of running my company. Hell, let's make it a lawn care company with, say, 250 accounts. I'm looking for somebody to run it for me. So I advertise for a manager and this 17 year old kid shows up and starts talking about all these great ideas he has. Now I'm thinking WTF, I've got underwear older than this snot nose. So I ask him what he has done that he thinks qualifies him for this job. In his 17 short years what is his track record and experience in running a business of this size or any size. Of course the answer is NOTHING. But he read a few books and has great ideas and talks a great line.

The reason I said that you should get off your ass and do the work yourself is so that you can learn the business. Then in maybe 10 years, when you learn the difference between a walk behind and a zero turn maybe you'll be ready to do the do the CEO thing. Right now, assuming that you get to the point of trying to hire employees they are going to laugh in your face. Nobody that's capable of doing the work you talk about is going to work for a 17 or 18 year old kid who knows zero about the business.

You are typical of the generation today. None of them want's to work. They all want to start at the top and make a million dollars instead of putting their time in and working their way up.

Good luck to you, you're going to need it. Come back in a year if you're still around and let us know how well you're doing.
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Old 01-25-2013, 01:31 AM
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So you want a bunch of teenagers to bust ass and then not pay for at least 6 weeks? Does each flyer have a code so you can identify who to pay? It is very possible that 10 or more people may not get paid at all. Why not just give them an hourly pay plush commission to keep them motivated?

Door hangers are popular everywhere and have been used for many many years
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Old 01-25-2013, 01:54 AM
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Proved me wrong? You haven't even done anything yet. Let me see if I can explain it to you another way. Say I'm tired of running my company. Hell, let's make it a lawn care company with, say, 250 accounts. I'm looking for somebody to run it for me. So I advertise for a manager and this 17 year old kid shows up and starts talking about all these great ideas he has. Now I'm thinking WTF, I've got underwear older than this snot nose. So I ask him what he has done that he thinks qualifies him for this job. In his 17 short years what is his track record and experience in running a business of this size or any size. Of course the answer is NOTHING. But he read a few books and has great ideas and talks a great line.

The reason I said that you should get off your ass and do the work yourself is so that you can learn the business. Then in maybe 10 years, when you learn the difference between a walk behind and a zero turn maybe you'll be ready to do the do the CEO thing. Right now, assuming that you get to the point of trying to hire employees they are going to laugh in your face. Nobody that's capable of doing the work you talk about is going to work for a 17 or 18 year old kid who knows zero about the business.

You are typical of the generation today. None of them want's to work. They all want to start at the top and make a million dollars instead of putting their time in and working their way up.

Good luck to you, you're going to need it. Come back in a year if you're still around and let us know how well you're doing.
Are you out of your damn MIND? Turn on the TV, examine the global unemployment rate. Laugh in my face? People WANT jobs and are in desperate need of them. I am merely starting a business and creating a source of JOBS. Isn't that one of the most beautiful things about being an entrepreneur? Oh wait, I guess people would rather LAUGH IN MY FACE then feed their family. Yeah, perfect logic there bud. Absolutely fantastic! I guess in your eyes that young millionaires and billionaires that employ thousands of people got lucky and were in the right place at the right time, yeah?

I'm beginning to think that you got screwed in your career/sole proprietorship by some fast growing company whose founder was a businessman/entrepreneur who had triple your knowledge in business and marketing. And now your venting your insecurities and frustrations out on me for wanting to take the same route he did? Grow up and stop complaining.

Don't you dare tell me that I have to be 30 years old to start a damn business. Sorry pops, but the world's changing. It looks like young entrepreneurs guilty sins of wanting everything right away is making them work smarter and not harder in order to get to where they want to go. Don't get me wrong, I've been working on this for months and it's my first business. I've done heaps of research along with heaps of networking with like minded individual entrepreneurs who UNDERSTAND the business world unlike yourself.

Don't get mad at me for the fact that i am choosing the smarter route and you are choosing the harder route. That's not business, bud. That's just being ignorant and stubborn. Keep complaining while I get ahead in a more efficient route. (Of course that is ONLY if we are talking from a money perspective. If you like the "harder" route and enjoy that type of laid back lifestyle.. ALL the power to you. Just don't try to force it on someone that wants something else. Your starting to sound like one of those religious nuts who come to my door preaching their beliefs on me to convert!)

Cheers
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:24 AM
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SydneyLawn, what were your gross sales last year and how many people do you have working for you?
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:17 AM
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Still wondering who is going to do the work?
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:23 AM
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Still wondering who is going to do the work?
So is the OP
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:18 AM
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Are you out of your damn MIND? Turn on the TV, examine the global unemployment rate. Laugh in my face? People WANT jobs and are in desperate need of them. I am merely starting a business and creating a source of JOBS. Isn't that one of the most beautiful things about being an entrepreneur? Oh wait, I guess people would rather LAUGH IN MY FACE then feed their family.
They are going to laugh in your face because you're expecting them to depend on you so they can support their family. When you work for yourself and you flop you only hurt yourself. When you have employees you have responsibilities and nobody in their right mind that needs the money to live on is going to depend on somebody like you. I think you showed your true attitude in that quote above. "People working for me should be kissing my ass."

You can't even come up with the money to do an ad campaign so where do you think you're going to get the money for equipment and payroll? I would really like to know where all these ideas of yours are coming from. What kind of family do you come from, what do your parents do and what do they say about your idea? If you were my kid I would tell you to go to school and major in business and economics if that's what your aspirations are. This Gordon Gekko nonsense that you have is insanity.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:00 PM
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Hey jr, like I said this is my first business and I will be managing 25 free lancers/distributors for a few weeks.

Locallawncare: Hey, like I said I am in talks with a recruitment agencies and I have connections to a network of lawnies in my city who are near the areas that I am serving.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:15 PM
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They are going to laugh in your face because you're expecting them to depend on you so they can support their family. When you work for yourself and you flop you only hurt yourself. When you have employees you have responsibilities and nobody in their right mind that needs the money to live on is going to depend on somebody like you. I think you showed your true attitude in that quote above. "People working for me should be kissing my ass."

You can't even come up with the money to do an ad campaign so where do you think you're going to get the money for equipment and payroll? I would really like to know where all these ideas of yours are coming from. What kind of family do you come from, what do your parents do and what do they say about your idea? If you were my kid I would tell you to go to school and major in business and economics if that's what your aspirations are. This Gordon Gekko nonsense that you have is insanity.
Wow. You say I'm the classic example of the youth today? Judging from what you would tell me if I was your kid... then I think your the classic example of a backwards and ignorant type of parents today. If you knew ANYTHING about being an entrepreneur, it's that MBAs most of the time are useless unless you want to be a manager or work your way up the corporate ladder. Please, don't talk about things you don't know. Economics? Did I say that I wanted to be a bloody wall street tycoon? Just because I know basic bloody economics doesn't mean that I'm Gordon Gekko you ignorant man. Well I guess the basic economics that I'm speaking of sounds like rocket science to you since your head is so far up your behind about thinking that young people shouldn't be entrepreneurs.

LMAO. For your information, I was very knowledgable about a certain industry that had a soon to be valuable STOCK and I made $5000 from it. Not that I'm saying I'm a stock market expert. Not at all.. just saying that I foreshadowed something that I could guarantee. That + saving up from my job has led me to have $7500 in start up money. I am taking a $2500 loan from my parents and am 100% responsible for it no matter what so don't you dare pull the "feeding off of mommy and daddy's money" crap on me. Regarding you asking me how i'm going to get money for equipment and such: It's called a working capital loan you uneducated dimwit or ASKING FOR UPFRONT PAYMENTS. My god.

Wow. When the hell did I say employees should kiss my ass? JUST BECAUSE I said that people are smart enough to feed their family rather then be ignorant jerks like yourself just because I'm young.. I guess that brings us to some random conclusion that I think that employees should kiss my ass? I understand that to have a great enterprise, one must have great employees who are fully respected and motivated. So why would I say they need to kiss my ass? Don't put words in my mouth.

You don't understand economics, you think you need an MBA to be successful in business, you think young entrepreneurs shouldn't exist and that all wealthy people should be old mindlessly frugal people, you think we should all be sole proprietors and say to hell with innovation, you hate creativity, you hate ambition... and so much more. There's no wonder your brushing your insecurities on me. What a damn shame.
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