3500HD GMC/Chevy or Ford F450?

[mkwl]

Originally Posted by gallihergreen

2009 was the last year for 'em, BUT rumor has it GM will be debuting a new 1-ton based 4500/5500 Silverado/Sierra with the 2014 HD pickups.
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I'll keep my fingers crossed! A Dmax powered 4500 4x4 dump is exactly what I'd want....

[Landrus2]

Originally Posted by Marek

What GVW do you want ? A 450 is 16k and a 3500 is around 13,400. For towing a 450 will also give you larger brakes as well. Remember either diesel would be a derated version of the pick up trucks.

I think so to

[mkwl]

What makes me nervous about going diesel (at least on one newer than 2007.5) is the complexity of them with all the emissions cr@p on them.... my '06 Dmax is complex enough without all that other stuff on there... makes me nervous abou the repair costs 5, 10, 15, 20 years down the road (I keep my trucks for a long time )

[mkwl]

Originally Posted by Marek

What GVW do you want ? A 450 is 16k and a 3500 is around 13,400. For towing a 450 will also give you larger brakes as well. Remember either diesel would be a derated version of the pick up trucks.

Well that's what I'm asking- do guys that went with a 3500 wish they'd gone with a 450 instead? Cost wise they seem to be relatively close (1 ton vs 1.5 ton).

[gallihergreen]

Originally Posted by mkwl

What makes me nervous about going diesel (at least on one newer than 2007.5) is the complexity of them with all the emissions cr@p on them.... my '06 Dmax is complex enough without all that other stuff on there... makes me nervous abou the repair costs 5, 10, 15, 20 years down the road (I keep my trucks for a long time )

Get a low mileage 4500 Duramax dump without the 2007+ emissions equipment.
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[mkwl]

Originally Posted by Jaybrown

Diesel more torque. Very long lasting engines and better fuel economy when hauling.

Definitely agree with the torque.... but with the myriad of issues the new diesels are having with the emissions and the CRAZY high cost of repairs (friend just had injectors done on his 6.0L PSD to the tune of $9K), it makes me second guess a diesel.

As far as the long lasting- not so sure about that one... I mean most modern gassers are going for 150K or more even heavily used, I could put a whole new engine in a gasser for $7-9K and be good for another 150K. I see a LOT of guys around here with 450 and 550's with the 6.0L's trading them in and selling after they have 50K miles on them....to me that seems insane.. from a pure cost vs. benefit perspective.

[Kelly's Landscaping]

The whole 1/2 ton and 1 ton terminology is so out dated today I have no idea why its still used. The payloads for my ram 4500s are just shy of 7000 pounds. Does that make them 3 and a half ton trucks? Now do I wish I went smaller nope the frame is so much stronger the wheels are rated for nearly 4000 pounds each X 6. I accidentally put too much rock on mine and was around 10000 pounds for a load she just smiled at me and asked if I had any more.

As for hopes for gm to make the medium truck again I think your screwed for 4 more years till Obama leaves. He took over gm made them fire their CEO and they stopped making medium trucks which is where they made their best profits and they began making Volts which lose $10,000 dollars per car even with the subsidies. The left hates trucks and the left owns GM which is the best thing that could of happened to Dodge. They really stepped up in 2008 when they jumped into the medium work truck market.

[Woodman1]

MKWL,
I hate when someone tells me "You don't know what you want" - I know you didn't ask about Dodges, but I am with Kelly, Jaybrown and Landfakers! I have three Dodges. The post 2007.5 trucks are all good to go - so much so that I am going to pick up a new 4500 next week. For what you are describing that you want to do with it - you aught to at least give them a look. When you get ready to buy - if you get down to the nuts and bolts with prices - hit me up - I will put you in contact with my dealer - best price ANYWHERE on the 4500!

[mkwl]

Originally Posted by Woodman1

MKWL,
I hate when someone tells me "You don't know what you want" - I know you didn't ask about Dodges, but I am with Kelly, Jaybrown and Landfakers! I have three Dodges. The post 2007.5 trucks are all good to go - so much so that I am going to pick up a new 4500 next week. For what you are describing that you want to do with it - you aught to at least give them a look. When you get ready to buy - if you get down to the nuts and bolts with prices - hit me up - I will put you in contact with my dealer - best price ANYWHERE on the 4500!

Yeah The Dodges are definitely in the running now- what are the specs on your 4500? 4x4? Auto/Standard Tranny?

[Woodman1]

4x4 cab and chassis auto. I got a flatbed dump built and a removable dovetail is being fabbed right now.
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