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Old 03-17-2013, 02:29 PM
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So, in effect you are charging them for driving your truck to shop.

What happens when the first job is 50 miles in the opposite direction of the shop and 35 miles from the techs house?

How's that excel out?

Do you pay the 15 mile difference or are your techs paid portal to portal?
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If its 50miles from the shop and 35 mile from their house then they are not taxed at all for it. It's a win win, we save on wear and tear, fuel, etc and the tech saves what it would have cost him to drive a personal vehicle all the way to the shop, plus the get to leave their house a little later since they don't have to drive all the way to the shop to get the truck first. Where not charging them or deducting from their check for the actual cost the incur driving the truck. They are just paying taxes on it.

So quarterly we add up depreciation, total fuel, scheduled maintenance, etc for each truck/driver. We then compare the person vs business use mile and they are taxed on their portion of he use. So say at the end of the quarter that number adds up to $5,000, and 25% of the miles were personal. Then $1,250 is reported as the benefit, use 30% tax bracket for easy numbers and the tech has to pay $375 in taxes. That $375 is much less than what the tech would have spent on fuel to get to and from work in his own vehicle. This also allows us to expense the cost they incur as a legitimate business expense. With out taxing the driver you can not write off their personal use, the IRS needs to get the money from someone.

The IRS also says we can not include non scheduled repairs in the portion they pay. So if we spend 3k on a major repair then we can not include a portion of that as the benefit. Also the IRS allows a flat $/mile rate instead of adding depreciation, fuel, maintenance etc such as how you can do to write off business use of the vehicles. But doing it by actual costs is much more beneficial than using the flat rate.
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Old 03-17-2013, 02:44 PM
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Bernie, i have been on both sides of company rigs but never from the service side.

When i took an employor's truck home i had to clean, fuel and maintain the rig on my own time.

The driver always has to pick laborers up at a show-up and drop them off.

There is also the parking problem with those that live in town. Theft too.

On top of that you are always on call because of the truck, its contents and your possesion of both.

As an employee the only way to roll is portal to portal. Like Dana's men are.

As an employor i have had guys use them as personal rigs where they drove them to the store, picked the kids up, hauled cows to the sale yard, forgot to fuel them, were late or sick and someone else had to cover or tools purchased to get work done.

Then there was the wild pig incident.

Anyhow, i don't think having a take home rig is worth being spied upon or taxed. If you don't trust me, i'll drive to the shop and i will be just as happy.

That's just been my experience and my opinion.
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i agree on these points, I would probably be a bit harsher, but it would probably be sufficient to simply agree.

wal-mart doesnt have an employee bus.

get to steppin' !
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Old 03-17-2013, 03:10 PM
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theft is always q concern. Obviously I would much rather the trucks all left in the pen at the shop from that stand point. I actually had my service truck that I drive as a daily broken into a couple months ago when I was at dinner. Fortunately it was january so there were no irrigation parts or tools n the truck, just some lighting maintenance parts that were at the front of the bed, and they broke in through the rear end.

Also a key thing is that they sign an insurance release my carrier (Commerce) provided, stating that any accidents during personal use go on their personal insurance carrier and not on my policy. Same as if you borrow a buddys car and cause an accident in it. Of course the company is still subject to lawsuit same as it would be if the accident happened during business use.
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Old 03-17-2013, 03:17 PM
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In my case, there are almost never any laborers needed, we don't do installs and use remotes so 99% of the time, 1 guy is all it takes. I was really pretty lax about personal use unless it became really abusive but we use lettered E250 Cargo vans so they really aren't all that great for anything but work. The GPS isn't so much to spy on the employee as it is to keep track of the van. I put it in vehicles even when they aren't going home with someone at night. They're my assets and I want to know where they are. It also give us a backup to prove to a customer we were there when we said we were on the few jobs that are billed hourly and helps with dispatching if something comes in during the day.

As far as on-call, we don't do after hours or emergency service. The phones turn off at 5 and if it wasn't scheduled by then, it'll wait until the following business day. I've never paid my guys hourly anyway, it was always a percentage of their gross billings, so whether they take the truck home or not, fueling, re-stocking, cleaning, etc. was on "their time."

I agree about reporting it as a payed benefit though, I don't think I'd do it unless I was forced to. There are some advantages to me with the employee taking the vehicle home as well so I think it's all a wash.

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Bernie, i have been on both sides of company rigs but never from the service side.

When i took an employor's truck home i had to clean, fuel and maintain the rig on my own time.

The driver always has to pick laborers up at a show-up and drop them off.

There is also the parking problem with those that live in town. Theft too.

On top of that you are always on call because of the truck, its contents and your possesion of both.

As an employee the only way to roll is portal to portal. Like Dana's men are.

As an employor i have had guys use them as personal rigs where they drove them to the store, picked the kids up, hauled cows to the sale yard, forgot to fuel them, were late or sick and someone else had to cover or tools purchased to get work done.

Then there was the wild pig incident.

Anyhow, i don't think having a take home rig is worth being spied upon or taxed. If you don't trust me, i'll drive to the shop and i will be just as happy.

That's just been my experience and my opinion.
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:05 PM
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I guess i have lived too long off leash, you both are prolly more right than i feel that i am.


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Old 03-17-2013, 04:21 PM
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I guess i have lived too long off leash, you both are prolly more right than i feel that i am.


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Oh, I understand that. I'm the same way, I don't want a GPS in my van either but I'm the one paying for it so I can make that decision.
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:41 PM
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this reminds me of a situation when.....

I hired a guy at his requested 15 hour. but soon ...I.... felt he needed more so i said from now on its 30 an hour

unfortunately, i was too naive to realize that i couldn't afford 30 hr, i only "thought" that i could.

later, but soon, I realized that I would have to cut his pay in order for the BUSINESS to remain in the black, until we got more work anyway...

but upon explaining, he said "no way, Im worth 30 and hour, so its 30 an hour, or i quit"

Looking back, I could not legitimately be mad at him, because he is mere mortal, a simple human.

.... I .... was the dumby, and the one at fault.
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:57 PM
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Sorry bernie i thought i was quoting Rhett
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:10 PM
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Sorry bernie i thought i was quoting Rhett
not without royalty's!


BTW that was all theoretical, i dont have employee's, or write offs

"for an hour of each, but having only one or the other; cutting coupons cost more than work"

that quote would be an expensive royalty

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ultimately , yall are ALL CORRECT!

Good night, time to rest up, excited tomorrow is monday!!!!
Time to get my diggggg on' !!
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:02 PM
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not without royalty's!


BTW that was all theoretical, i dont have employee's, or write offs

"for an hour of each, but having only one or the other; cutting coupons cost more than work"

that quote would be an expensive royalty

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ultimately , yall are ALL CORRECT!

Good night, time to rest up, excited tomorrow is monday!!!!
Time to get my diggggg on' !!
WHOOOO HOOOOO!!!!

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Somewhere there are a few elderly gentlemen that stare out the window wondering who used all of their fun up......

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