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Old 12-07-2012, 11:11 AM
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Other thing that makes me mad is volume discount. If a scag dealer sells 50 mowers a year they get a better pricing bracket. So if i picked up scag, my customer could drive an hour away to rockwall and save 5% on their machine. In my eyes as a dealer considering the product, why dont they just let rockwall take care of this entire region and give them a 10% discount to help with shipping. Stupidest decision ever. I am just glad i didnt like the demoes more than what i got cause i would be fussing the whole time...lol
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I have a few dealer friends and typically they are given a territory (per say). But volume discounts are always going to be in place, and they should be. If you don't want them, and would like all dealers to pay the same price, then what you are suggesting is similar to socialism.
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:38 AM
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Hey man, i lije the standers, definately heavier built than any ever.... only negative i see is if you have guys that are on the heavier the way the platform is you will get a bounce effect on the front actually changing the suctiin on the deck. Little different than say the great dane where the platform is in the wheel wells. Bb is easier to work on the motor that way though, and the 54" outlaw deck is a homerun... frame and deck is nuts on a stander. Some guys dont like the fact that the gas tank is behind the swing out door. I think it gives the unit a very clean look without any wires or cables anywhere. I like the power deck lift to it makes alot of sense on that kinda unit... on the great dane we have you have to use tools to lower the deck its a fixed position setup...weird...lol
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:05 PM
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[QUOTE=NJDLLC;4603340]I have a few dealer friends and typically they are given a territory (per say). But volume discounts are always going to be in place, and they should be. If you don't want them, and would like all dealers to pay the same price, then what you are suggesting is similar to socialism.[/QUOTE
I think its better for mom and pop and smaller dealers. Not fair that someone can drive 20 miles to another dealer just because they sell more and get it less. Not socialism, same price point, less confusion and more fair in retail. I am the largest badboy dealer, and i pay the same as the guy 30 miles for me that only sold 20 this year. Only thing i get different is savings on shipping as i buy by the truckload (21 mowers) and i only pay what it costs to get the truck here as opposed to per unit. My price isnt better than his, i just saved around $50 a mower in shipping, that was my perk.
I would feel like a jerk if someone drove from his area and bought a mower from me just cause i could price lower cause i bought more. Bad for me cause hes mad, bad for customer cause he wouldnt want to service my mower i sold, and bad for the company cause i am gonna run their other dealer out of biz when everyone starts buying from me just cause i dont hold my price and just make a little more as my benefit. If the product i was selling made me hold the price and not discount then it would be fair to everyone like tracker boats for instance. Just cause bass pro is the dealer too, tracker has a policy that all dealers cant go below the promo set price. I like that policy, helps dealers hold profit margin, they are happier taken care of issues, and no low balling happening running people out of biz like that happens to our lcos... if all lcos got together and agreed to a minumum it would be more pleasant bidding, and no cut throat crap and more profitability... i will be honest, mower markup is not very good, its waay tighter than it used to be. But a set fair mark up set across the board helps out. If i am competing with a dealer selling for less i would be forced to match and then jack parts, shop rate, everything else up to make up the difference thus being labeled a bad dealer cause im too high on labor and parts, but blow out mowers for nothing.... i wouldnt stay in business with kinda competition forced on me by the products i sell. I know dealers that sell mowers less than cost when floor is due to keep from paying interest. I would drive out of state to get that deal, then the mower i bought gets bad name when my local dealer laughs in my face when i need warranty done....
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:15 PM
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I like competition. Helping the smaller guys to spite the larger guys who have done it better for longer, is a form of socialism. By giving the same discount to everyone, you are attracting dealers who dont want to work hard to build a business, only those that want the ultimate benefit for the least amount of work.

Further, if the smaller guy refuses to service a mower I (as a larger guy) sold, then he wont be in business for very long.
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:11 PM
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I like competition. Helping the smaller guys to spite the larger guys who have done it better for longer, is a form of socialism. By giving the same discount to everyone, you are attracting dealers who dont want to work hard to build a business, only those that want the ultimate benefit for the least amount of work.

Further, if the smaller guy refuses to service a mower I (as a larger guy) sold, then he wont be in business for very long.
Competition is different, this is not competition I am talking about. Imagine this ok... this is exactly how this works, but when mowers, equipment, cars, expensive things its on a much higher scale, and in "supported product industry". I am not talking about differing areas or regions, I am talking in the same 100 mile radius. Yes a dealer has territory, but no one can say you cant sell to an area, just give so many miles that another dealer can be opened up in. Most brands do this, but it hurts the industry heavily, and could be avoided completely. Volume dealer of soda, and volume car, equipment, mower dealer is different. The brand represented should do everything in its power to lead its end users to the dealer that is closest to them because end user will have to have service and parts done to that equipment. Main reason none allow selling on ebay and any non localized internet or advertising.
Ok they are saying opposite of that when just because dealer A in Dallas (duh a bigger market with more traffic) sells more than dealer B say in Greenville, they get an extra 5% off. Ok on a Turf Tiger you are talking $500 less. Ok now dealer B has to price mower at say $11500 to retain a minimun 15% markup whatever to stay in business, pay advertising, floor interest, employees upkeep whatever... Dealer A only marks up 8% due to volume sales and internet biz traffic, but due to the added 5% discount upfront makes his price $10300. Price is not actual, just did $10000 cost to be easier to work with, a TT actually is higher...lol. So for dealer B to match price it would actually cost him money to sell it... unless it was bid assist. Dealer A is actually hurting Scags Biz as a company by doing things like this. If I had Scag I would say our machines need to atleast bring minumum promo no matter the discount to be fair to dealer b's everywhere and they will take care of end user better... If I can be a huge volume dealer with holding my price point across the board, then everyone else could do it too if they gave the difference back in favors in the shop, labor costs, and parts pricing. Heck I was a pretty big dealer every year even my first one out of my house basically, still moved like 130 units averaging $7500 or so a unit, so most of the smaller volume guys have been doing biz way longer than me, I am going into my 6th season for 13.. Makes sense that most dealers mark parts over retail and charge people outrageous prices for repairs cause they are giving away the big stuff they have all their money tied up in... Most dealers I talk to only sell like 30 mowers or less a year from each brand, unless they have cheaper homeowner stuff...
If scag simply just averaged say a 2.5% discount to everyone, had a great base price, had some more interest here (only 3 people I know of own one here, and the golf course was negative on his, but hearing all the chatter on here for them made me want to introduce them here), and they would've blown me away doing the demoing here with them last year, they would've had a great dealer here to work with and push the product for them...
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Old 12-07-2012, 05:32 PM
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I have a mower dealer the next town over. I travel 20 miles to the dealer I do business with. Price is only part of the equation, the other part is how I'm treated. Price is a good thing, but I'll pay more for a mower knowing if anything happens they'll help me as best they can.
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:46 PM
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Thinking hard about the Bad Boy MZ 42" with the twin engine.

What type of out the door price is would you think on the 42" MZ? Is it also true there isn't a way to mulch on this mower? That would be kind of a deal breaker I think.

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Old 03-23-2013, 11:06 PM
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other option

The other option I'm looking into is the hustler raptor, which I saw you posted about elsewhere on the site. Also a 42" model that seems similar in quality. Looks like it can use a mulching attachment though and it's about 20 miles away instead of the 30 or so that bb is from me.

Any thoughts about the raptor?

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Old 03-23-2013, 11:07 PM
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What type of out the door price is would you think on the 42" MZ? Is it also true there isn't a way to mulch on this mower? That would be kind of a deal breaker I think.

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Hey man, 42" with 21hpa briggs is $2999, and the 22hp kawasaki is $3399. On the mulch, i recommend the acs system, not quite full mulch set up but close to it minus a little windrow. I will look at the new ones i got to see if mulch holes are drilled in it, but i know last year it wasnt offered.
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:16 PM
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prices

I got the 3399, but what does that turn into by the time everything is included?

And how about that Raptor?

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