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Old 04-05-2013, 11:14 AM
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The problem with a couple inches of topsoil layed over a clay bed is the flooding of the root zone... I don't recommend any root zone space of less than 4"... W/out first removing a couple inches of clay(more expense) it is likely that in most locations, your topsoil will be floating down the sidewalks on it way to the storm sewers at first real rainstorm...

If the OP's post is in reality,,, sand... Does it DRAIN???
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:11 PM
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I will probably need a reeeeeally powerful tiller to till this ground. I don't suppose you can just spread a few inches of compost over the top and sod over that huh?
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:13 PM
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i will probably need a reeeeeally powerful tiller to till this ground. I don't suppose you can just spread a few inches of compost over the top and sod over that huh?
............... No!
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:14 PM
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You say it looks like clay .... I think it looks like sand.



Again, why?
it's sandy on top but clay right below if you can imagine. Almost looks like someone came and removed all the topsoil.
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Old 04-05-2013, 01:35 PM
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Most of our land is either sand over a clay hardpan, sand with no clay hardpan and sand with rock/gravel as the subsoil... in a few instances there are localized fields in which the sand washed off the clay hardpan, but also mixed into a plateau of rather a quality loam...

So your sand on top of clay isn't hard to imagine at all...

The real issue that needs to be gotten to is :

How thick is your sand and how deep is your clay and why can't you till it when it is moist???

You make it sound like an impossibility...
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Old 04-05-2013, 01:42 PM
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Most of our land is either sand over a clay hardpan, sand with no clay hardpan and sand with rock/gravel as the subsoil... in a few instances there are localized fields in which the sand washed off the clay hardpan, but also mixed into a plateau of rather a quality loam...

So your sand on top of clay isn't hard to imagine at all...

The real issue that needs to be gotten to is :

How thick is your sand and how deep is your clay and why can't you till it when it is moist???

You make it sound like an impossibility...
Well your right, it has been raining good here and I was there today and it seems a bit softer. I'll try and get a tiller through there and see how It goes.
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Old 04-05-2013, 03:10 PM
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it's sandy on top but clay right below if you can imagine. Almost looks like someone came and removed all the topsoil.
Or added a sandy topsoil on top of clay.
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Old 04-05-2013, 03:19 PM
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I will add my 2 cents worth. If that is in the middle of the day and there is quite a bit of shade that might need to be brought into the picture. Also if those are mature trees taking all the nutrients and mosture out of the ground that could be a problem.
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Old 04-05-2013, 03:38 PM
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Is the entire property like this? It may be just an old abandoned road bed in that section of the yard.

I had a yard once that had an abandoned asphalt driveway which was covered by a healthy looking lawn until drought like condition would hit, then that area looked horrible.
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Old 04-05-2013, 04:04 PM
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LOts of mature trees and shade. The people just moved in last Fall and that's when I took the picture. They don't know if any work was done from the previous owners but I see all kinds of construction debri, like brick chunks and tile all scattered around the soil I know something was done there but not sure what. Ill take some pictures tomorrow and post them.
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