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Old 05-20-2013, 11:24 PM
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"mostly 5K lawns, but some bigger". All depends on "difficulty factors". (I sure hope you physically visit your properties before pricing them instead of using "aerial photos" etc)

Small lawn options:

1) Use a push spreader, then spot spray (if it ain't too weedy).
2) If weedy, make a double app ..... using a push spreader & then pull out the hose ... or
3) Blanket spray the entire lawn with liquid weed & feed
4) Use a stand-on spreader sprayer (this is where difficulty factors come into place)

Stand-on spreaders sprayers:

Permagreen -- uses the Peerless transaxle. (gear shifting sucks)
Ground Logic -- same thing (gear shifting sucks)

"Hydrostatic" stand-on spreader/sprayers are much better:

Z-Sprays:

1) Both hands are required to maneuver the unit (2 joy sticks)

NOT TRUE....Frisbee Dude!


2) They are heavy and are more likely not to be used when soils are wet/soft

Any piece of equipment that weighs 500+ pounds(empty) is less likely to be used when it is wet/soft

3) They suck on hills & wet slopes

Only if you have no idea how to operate a zero turn(turns on a dime) and all you've ever operated was "lawn tractors" (requires much larger area to turn)
4) Bulky

I can see where a "WEENY" might be intimidated by it's profile on first glance.

TURFCO T3000:

1) Hydrostatic (easy forward & reverse)
2) Requires only one hand to maneuver
3) Handles hills & wet slopes better than any other unit on the market

Your opinion...


4) Has a "light footprint" (just 500 lbs) without causing ruts when the soils are soft/wet

Depends on how soft...how wet


5) Very nimble in most 5K lawns
6) 3 spray options (spot spray while driving "on the fly"/trim nozzle for trim spraying around flower beds, etc/full spray in open areas)
7) Requires only one employee to treat lawns ... no need to have a "helper" for trim spraying (sorry Z-Spray)

That's BS and you know it. The Z has a wand with up to 100ft of hose on a REEL.(vs. T3000 15ft hose coil) We use the spray wand when the OPERATOR SPOT SPRAYS while he is DRIVING ONE HANDED.

8) The T3000 can also treat "many acres per day" with just one truck & just one operator. Able to treat up to 5 acres per hour

So Can the Z...More Acreage though(Lets not forget that it has up to a 25ft spread width)

9) Smallest lawn we treat with a T3000 = 800 sq ft

I'm not sure, but that may be a record!

my 2 cents
That's about all I'd give for it
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Old 05-20-2013, 11:58 PM
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That's about all I'd give for it
I think I need to make a video for Larry.

I typically only use one hand to drive my Z

250 gallons, Turn 3.

Around 15 acres.

I've done it before. Sprayed 63 accounts one day, which was right at 15 acres. But I'll never do that again. Not the acreage. The number of accounts. Lot of gate work.
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Old 05-21-2013, 12:09 AM
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I think I need to make a video for Larry.

I typically only use one hand to drive my Z

250 gallons, Turn 3.

Around 15 acres.

I've done it before. Sprayed 63 accounts one day, which was right at 15 acres. But I'll never do that again. Not the acreage. The number of accounts. Lot of gate work.
That's nothing! I can't remember whether it was "Mo" or "Curly", but ONE of Larry's guys fertilized and sprayed like 48 acres in one day on the T. All he had was a 2500HD a skid and his T
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Old 05-21-2013, 12:27 AM
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I think all "sales pitches" should include a "disclaimer" statement. His should read something like this.

"I Larry Ginger have only spent approximately 30 minutes operating a Z spray manufactured by LT Rich in a parking lot. These are only my OPINIONS about the Zspray but will be presented as Fact". Take the information presented for what it is worth."

...And, if he really wanted to look out for the welfare of others he could put something like "May cause diarrhea or vomiting if ingested"
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Old 05-21-2013, 01:46 PM
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Seriously American, you have no idea what your talking about when it comes to Z-Sprays. You continue to come back with the same ole song and dance which you know is BS. have a few more of these and keep telling yourself you actually know what your talking about when it comes to Z-Sprays.
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Old 05-22-2013, 11:29 AM
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Z's are the best built machine period. I only have 1 now as we have switched to Ground Logics for several reasons and we have had very good luck with them.
With that said...I have a friend that works for Scotts and he ran a Turfco unit and he HATED it. They replaced it with a Z and he loves it.

It just comes down to what you like and what suits you best.
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Old 05-22-2013, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by americanlawn View Post
"mostly 5K lawns, but some bigger". All depends on "difficulty factors". (I sure hope you physically visit your properties before pricing them instead of using "aerial photos" etc)

Small lawn options:

1) Use a push spreader, then spot spray (if it ain't too weedy).
2) If weedy, make a double app ..... using a push spreader & then pull out the hose ... or
3) Blanket spray the entire lawn with liquid weed & feed
4) Use a stand-on spreader sprayer (this is where difficulty factors come into place)

Stand-on spreaders sprayers:

Permagreen -- uses the Peerless transaxle. (gear shifting sucks)
Ground Logic -- same thing (gear shifting sucks)

"Hydrostatic" stand-on spreader/sprayers are much better:

Z-Sprays:

1) Both hands are required to maneuver the unit (2 joy sticks)
2) They are heavy and are more likely not to be used when soils are wet/soft
3) They suck on hills & wet slopes
4) Bulky

TURFCO T3000:

1) Hydrostatic (easy forward & reverse)
2) Requires only one hand to maneuver
3) Handles hills & wet slopes better than any other unit on the market
4) Has a "light footprint" (just 500 lbs) without causing ruts when the soils are soft/wet
5) Very nimble in most 5K lawns
6) 3 spray options (spot spray while driving "on the fly"/trim nozzle for trim spraying around flower beds, etc/full spray in open areas)
7) Requires only one employee to treat lawns ... no need to have a "helper" for trim spraying (sorry Z-Spray)
8) The T3000 can also treat "many acres per day" with just one truck & just one operator. Able to treat up to 5 acres per hour
9) Smallest lawn we treat with a T3000 = 800 sq ft

my 2 cents

This reminds me why I didn't miss you Larry

Charles Cue
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