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Old 06-12-2013, 11:35 PM
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We doth both. Install every day, sometimes 2 crews doing separate installs and 3-4 service techs running each day. We do roughly 150 installs per year then they turn into yearly service contracts. I think if you do enough of each they compliment each other well. Plenty of stress and headaches come with whatever you choose.
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:39 PM
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Double ditto, installs build-up the the customer service base, meaning:
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:57 PM
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Double ditto, installs build-up the the customer service base, meaning:
Kinda the way I always saw it. Ya need to build the base. Not to mention its also enjoyable to work on systems that are not total junk. There is a reason why the guy who originaly put a system is no longer working on it. Several actualy , but many times its because he is no longer in buss.
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Old 06-13-2013, 03:11 PM
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Not to mention its also enjoyable to work on systems that are not total junk. There is a reason why the guy who originaly put a system is no longer working on it.
True, I always tried to juggle cold service calls with normal service on our systems, so the crew would not get burned-out working on junk and start developing bad habits.
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:44 PM
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There definitely a financial barrier into the install game, I think most installers run out of hustle and never make it over the barrier. It's a totally different business than repairs, and if you try to run the install part of your business like a repair you'll go broke. I am not going to divulge the way we play the game, but there is money to be had, it's just a long road. Looking back, I wouldn't do it again, and I got lucky more than once.

I have seen on here more than once that you have to have 100,000 in equipment per truck to run an install crew. Take that advice, if you like going broke. I buy my irrigation equipment from the guys that take out big loans and go broke, and its usually at a bank auction.
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:52 PM
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We doth both. Install every day, sometimes 2 crews doing separate installs and 3-4 service techs running each day. We do roughly 150 installs per year then they turn into yearly service contracts. I think if you do enough of each they compliment each other well. Plenty of stress and headaches come with whatever you choose.
I've never seen you post.

You must have a large company
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:23 PM
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........I have seen on here more than once that you have to have 100,000 in equipment per truck to run an install crew. Take that advice, if you like going broke. I buy my irrigation equipment from the guys that take out big loans and go broke, and its usually at a bank auction
as long as it's someone else spending the 100K, prior to it going up for auction
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:29 PM
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as long as it's someone else spending the 100K, prior to it going up for auction
Not really. If you've got an install rig, say a fresh F-250 with a Royal service body, couple of trenchers, a compressor and testing gear w/parts & tools, I'd say that's a fair price. A lot of commercial guys factor the price into their bid, and then just sell the whole package and start over on the next big box job.
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Old 06-14-2013, 08:17 AM
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There definitely a financial barrier into the install game, I think most installers run out of hustle and never make it over the barrier. It's a totally different business than repairs, and if you try to run the install part of your business like a repair you'll go broke. I am not going to divulge the way we play the game, but there is money to be had, it's just a long road. Looking back, I wouldn't do it again, and I got lucky more than once.

I have seen on here more than once that you have to have 100,000 in equipment per truck to run an install crew. Take that advice, if you like going broke. I buy my irrigation equipment from the guys that take out big loans and go broke, and its usually at a bank auction.
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Old 06-14-2013, 07:03 PM
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I've never seen you post.

You must have a large company
I don't post much. I check in once in a while to see what's going on. I think we have a good size company. We actively service around 2300 accounts and usually end up adding around 200 per year between new installs and picking up existing service accounts.
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