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Old 08-23-2013, 12:51 PM
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Regarding diesels in half tons:

On one hand I think the idea is awesome. On the other, I can't figure out why someone would want a diesel half ton. I know, I know, torque and mpgs. The gas power plants currently offered in the half ton markets can already far exceed the design capacity of the vehicle, the temptation to not overload the half ton platform "just because I can" must be overwhelming. I think that is the main reason Dodge is putting a smaller diesel in their half tons vs the larger one in the Titan. Even the point about MPGs is somewhat moot. Local markets vary, but diesel is currently 60 cents more per gallon than 87 at the gas station I drive by every morning. That's almost a 20% difference. If the truck gets 25% better mpg (which may or may not be optimistic), you're looking at saving a whole 5% per mile. 20mpg in a gasser (at 3.45) is 17 cents per mile, 25 mpg in a diesel (at 3.99) is 16 cents per mile. A difference of one whole penny. What will this engine option cost? 5-7k? Your break even point in fuel savings will fall somewhere between 50,000 to 70,000 miles, but that doesn't factor the more expensive oil changes (even DIY) and repair bills.

All in all, I just can't wrap my head around a diesel half ton. Either from a practical, or a fiscal sense. If you need a truck to tow with better road manners, you need 3/4 or a 1 ton with a heavier frame, better tranny, axles, suspension, and brakes.

I predict the diesel half ton will sell a butt load at first, then tank.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:15 PM
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check other markets

Nissan Patrol (diesel) is an amazing vehicle

Toyota markets Diesel trucks in quite a few other markets


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Old 08-23-2013, 04:33 PM
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I don't think this Nissan/ Cummins half ton is going to be that great. This is the first I've ever heard of Cummins making a V8.. ever.

Bautieri:
All your math and reasoning is correct but what gasser gets 20 mpg? I'm getting 9 mpg in my 1500. A few of my buddies in their diesels get around 25. Diesel fuel may cost more but at over double (more like 2.5x) better mpg diesel is way cheaper to run than gas.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:24 PM
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I don't think this Nissan/ Cummins half ton is going to be that great. This is the first I've ever heard of Cummins making a V8.. ever.

Bautieri:
All your math and reasoning is correct but what gasser gets 20 mpg? I'm getting 9 mpg in my 1500. A few of my buddies in their diesels get around 25. Diesel fuel may cost more but at over double (more like 2.5x) better mpg diesel is way cheaper to run than gas.
true, i dont know of any 1500s that get better than 17mpg.
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Old 08-24-2013, 07:16 AM
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My one ton gasser gets 18 mpg hwy running hills.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:47 PM
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I have several 1500 gassers in the low twenties everyday .
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Old 08-29-2013, 09:27 PM
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check other markets

Nissan Patrol (diesel) is an amazing vehicle

Toyota markets Diesel trucks in quite a few other markets


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Those three letters- EPA- are the reason that the majority of trucks on the road aren't diesel. The whole thing about diesel gets me irritated. There's no reason it should cost more than gas.
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Old 08-29-2013, 09:42 PM
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I have several 1500 gassers in the low twenties everyday .
Your in canda. Sure its not KM? Also I can't believe they are not sticking with a straight 6 or a stright 4. I would not want to buy the first few years, that's forsure.
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Old 08-29-2013, 11:01 PM
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Your in canda. Sure its not KM? Also I can't believe they are not sticking with a straight 6 or a stright 4. I would not want to buy the first few years, that's forsure.
I have calculated it in miles ,and using the American Gallon which is smaller than an Imperial one .
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Old 08-29-2013, 11:07 PM
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I have calculated it in miles ,and using the American Gallon which is smaller than an Imperial one .
Do you have ethonal in your fuel also?
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