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Old 09-24-2013, 11:56 PM
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Here is my question..
How did the irs end up in charge of the whole mess?
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Because in essence this is a new TAX.

Say you are poor. Many poor people have good credit, because they never finance anything. So you're poor, have no money, no insurance, and the IRS fines you. You can't afford to pay the fine, so now the IRS has filed a tax lien on you. Because you do not have insurance for yourself. This is too extreme.

1/2 of me wants this Obamacare.

1/2 of me hopes it gets blown to pieces. We didn't ask to be born, don't fine us because we don't have insurance. Fines are for irresponsible people.
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Old 09-25-2013, 06:52 PM
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The usps is not exactly government run anymore.
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Old 09-25-2013, 07:36 PM
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good for lower income people bad for people that make $$$$$. bad for american debt
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:33 PM
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The usps is not exactly government run anymore.
Exactly the USPS is not a gov agency. I really don't think they are going to even be able to get this thing off the ground good before it goes down in flames.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:01 AM
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Because in essence this is a new TAX.

Say you are poor. Many poor people have good credit, because they never finance anything. So you're poor, have no money, no insurance, and the IRS fines you. You can't afford to pay the fine, so now the IRS has filed a tax lien on you. Because you do not have insurance for yourself. This is too extreme.

1/2 of me wants this Obamacare.

1/2 of me hopes it gets blown to pieces. We didn't ask to be born, don't fine us because we don't have insurance. Fines are for irresponsible people.
Yup! If you can't afford to pay the fine the IRS puts a tax lein on you! So my guess is IF you can't afford insurance and that occurs then you can kiss whatever income tax refund that you may have been entitled to when you file your taxes goodbye! And it will keep happening year after year until you have insurance or the individual mandate is repealed! And as long as Obama is in office I personally do not see the economy improving. So I don't see many being able to afford insurance anytime soon! Seems like a government money grab! Modern day Robin Hood!
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:25 AM
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Exactly the USPS is not a gov agency. I really don't think they are going to even be able to get this thing off the ground good before it goes down in flames.
Why do any changes--such as cutting Saturday delivery--need to be approved by Congress then?

And when the price of a stamp is increased, who approves that?

Or where does the money come from to continue bailing them out because they are running in the red all the time?

Anyways, the whole thing is and will be a mess in order to initiate single payer. I hate this topic to begin with, I hate the confusion with o-care even more.

I'm waiting to see what happens.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:41 AM
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Just to clarify, the USPS is actually a semi gov't agency, I've always read that they weren't a gov't agency at all which isn't totally true. I did a lil digging and it's pretty funny how they operate now, part gov't and part corporation, no wonder they are all screwed up.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:40 AM
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The USPS is pretty remarkable actually. Imagine you have to visit every client 6 days/week, and your client base is made up of every mailable address in the country.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:32 PM
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The USPS is pretty remarkable actually. Imagine you have to visit every client 6 days/week, and your client base is made up of every mailable address in the country.
You'd kinda think it would be a license to print money even with the advent of the internet
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:14 AM
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Because in essence this is a new TAX.

Say you are poor. Many poor people have good credit, because they never finance anything. So you're poor, have no money, no insurance, and the IRS fines you. You can't afford to pay the fine, so now the IRS has filed a tax lien on you. Because you do not have insurance for yourself. This is too extreme.

1/2 of me wants this Obamacare.

1/2 of me hopes it gets blown to pieces. We didn't ask to be born, don't fine us because we don't have insurance. Fines are for irresponsible people.
while I personally do not like the idea of fining people who do not get healthcare and some of the new rules for the healthcare companies. I do think quality info should be handed out. First off nobody that is classified as poor or even close to that classification would be fined as the income line is over $150,000 to where the fine kicks in. 2nd my insurance is dropping more then half from the exchange as is any of my friends and family that have looked it up so most insurance costs are not going up.
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