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Old 09-26-2013, 05:59 PM
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The all in ones have really come a long way. As RS stated the biggest drawback is lack of oil capacity and they haven't made any really big units yet. They have their place. In the the top of the line regardless of maker I still prefer seperate pump and motor. They produce the torque needed by the big frame 60 and 72 models that will see severe duty. Another downfall with the all in ones is you can't add aux coolers and they have strainers instead of filters. All fine for light to med duty but not severe yet.
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The Kanzaki units Deere uses have a gear reduction unit in them so they can pull the heavy Z's with relative ease. They have filters, not screens- one for each unit, and the new R models like the previous A models have the cross porting for cooling while side hill mowing, plus the large fans over each unit.

Self contained are the wave of the future IMO.
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 PM
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The more I'm hearing the more I'm liking. I don't have any at the moment so its learning for me too.
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:19 PM
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Here's some pics of the two filter caps on the Kanzaki units along with the fans and cross porting lines-
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Old 09-27-2013, 05:42 PM
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Anybody have to replace one of these yet? Pumps and motors aren't too bad if you shop around. I fear these will all be proprietary and costly. I can live with that if I got 2000 hours with no worries.
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Old 09-27-2013, 07:14 PM
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Hard to call Scag overrated IMO. The velocity deck is the most copied deck in the industry which has remained unchanged since 2006. Also probably more 5000+ hour TT's out there than any other mower even close to that amount of hours.
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Could not agree more. What are replacement cost of the combined system ?
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Old 09-28-2013, 01:35 AM
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Could not agree more. What are replacement cost of the combined system ?
I know with Bad Boy the 5400's are $699 per side, and with pump and wheel motor they are $499ea, making them $1000 per side...
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Old 09-28-2013, 03:31 AM
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I think they are the wave of the future and make the most sense, 699 a side is good. On a Hustler HD it will cost you 15 to 16 hundred for motor and pump for a true heavier commercial unit so it is gives and takes.

If you are loading the system hard constantly I would think a Hustler HD style drive would be the way to go other than that for your average Joe a 5400 approach of just run'em use them up and replace at a lower cost.

The Hustler style drives allows you to handle more weight if need be, you could pull tow behinds with a Hustler system setup right and a current style all in one unit would not be up to that.

They can make the all in one bigger and Better, also more oil capacity and a oil cooler is always welcome if you are running real hard.
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Old 09-28-2013, 09:25 AM
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Cant remember if I read it here or another site I frequent, but they were saying the new Super Z HD is really hard on turf due to the weight and touchy hydros.
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Old 09-28-2013, 10:02 AM
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Cant remember if I read it here or another site I frequent, but they were saying the new Super Z HD is really hard on turf due to the weight and touchy hydros.
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Another site? What's that all about? Are you cheating on Lawnsite?
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Old 09-28-2013, 10:25 AM
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Another site? What's that all about? Are you cheating on Lawnsite?
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