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Old 10-04-2013, 10:15 AM
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I don't think I would take a "for dummies" series as the authority on anything. If the info is coming from a University extension's research then that is different.

Someone do a simple pot test and settle this argument.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:43 AM
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I don't think I would take a "for dummies" series as the authority on anything. If the info is coming from a University extension's research then that is different.

Someone do a simple pot test and settle this argument.
It has already been field tested for generations, so why would we need a 'pot test'???

If there were some U. Paper, claiming that seed dies if it gets wet then dries out,, I would have to call them out and have them give a reason why it can take a month or longer for seed to germinate that is watered with occasional rains...

Would you believe the extension office that tells you "once a seed gets soaked ,,, it has to stay moist for 10 days straight or it will die???
Are you really willing to allow someone make you believe such an obvious falsehood???
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:50 AM
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I know axe and I disagree with the whole aeration and seeding concept but I agree with him here. Seed will lay dormant without dieing and will then germinate once adequate moisture is present even if it has been wet then dried out again. I was just wondering if you guys had ever seen dew alone be enough to get seed to germinate.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:54 AM
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"... You may have to water several times in short intervals until the bed is thoroughly wet. After that, water often enough to keep the top inch or so of the seedbed moist until the seed germinates. Remember, seeds get only one shot at germination. Let them dry out, and they're dead. ..."

Here again there are city folk telling me what I've observed throughout my life is wrong becuz some other city slicker is writing his feelings down on an advertisement...
Check it out... If they dry excessively AFTER germination, THEN they die... pretty simple isn't it???

How many farmers irrigate their grass pastures every day after seeding becuz the seed will die if they don't... the answer is 0... When seed drops off the seedhead of any grass in the wild,,, will it only grow if it is irrigated for 10 days in a row???

I'm not trying to be unkind,,, but come on, think it through,,, just a little bit... those websites are for h.o.s that haven't a clue and here the supposed lcos are talking the same nonsense...
We are talking about lawns, pasture mix is different. I can only speak with expertise on bluegrass, rye and fescues as that's what we use up here. Look again on my hydro seeding example when not watered. seed needs moisture, I'm not saying that you need to water every day but with the lack of moisture seed germination rates decline. We seed with viable seed meaning it has the potential to germinate at the percentages listed on the bag. Those rates drop drastically with lack of consistent moisture. I suppose that you will next day you can plant a tree not water it and it won't die using your lack of logic
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:55 AM
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Perhaps if certain members would take the time to actually learn and understand the mechanisms of seed dormancy, dessication tolerance, and germination requirements, then those members might actually be able to provide constructive, accurate information to others. Instead we find the typical wild suppositions and unsubstantiated opinions presented as "facts" which are anything but accurate.

So ..... people/professionals who actually care to learn something relevant and accurate might start here and forget everything you have read in this thread.

http://5e.plantphys.net/article.php?ch=23&id=8
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:56 AM
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I know axe and I disagree with the whole aeration and seeding concept but I agree with him here. Seed will lay dormant without dieing and will then germinate once adequate moisture is present even if it has been wet then dried out again. I was just wondering if you guys had ever seen dew alone be enough to get seed to germinate.
We are not talking about just the seed. Once the seed sprouts and starts growing as a seedling.

By the way, I am considering tellling all of my customers to shut off their irrigation after I seed as they are WASTING earths resources and their own money.

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Old 10-04-2013, 11:02 AM
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It is obvious that lots of water for long periods of time,,, will make lots of seeds germinate and grow,,, but that is not the same as dying in between rain events...

but as kiril states,,, there is a need to understand how seed actually goes through the process of germination...
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Old 10-04-2013, 11:08 AM
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We are not talking about just the seed. Once the seed sprouts and starts growing as a seedling.

By the way, I am considering tellling all of my customers to shut off their irrigation after I seed as they are WASTING earths resources and their own money.

Oh yeah........I meant to throw these words in my post so I come off as a condescending elitist.....



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Good for you...

but in reality if the soil has adequate moisture after germination then the heavy dews will likely help keep the soil moist for an extended period of time...
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Old 10-06-2013, 07:27 PM
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I guess the seed that I sowed on non-irrigated lawns, that received only occasional rains throughout the season never actually germinated and grew... I guess I only imagined it,,, becuz someone with and education said it can't happen...
I've been thinking about this thread this weekend. I think where it went off the tracks is humble1 said in post 2 "...when it dries after germination begins the seed begins to die" -- something you said yourself in another thread.

Most of your responses here have more to do with whether the seed will, essentially, wait for water and whether, if once wet but ungerminated, the seed will live.

Seems almost everyone is in agreement on both points...
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:25 AM
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It is a pretty basic concept and it is important that the germination is used to mean germination... in most soils once germination has occurred one would turn the water off for several days if the weather was not dessicating the surface of the soil... daily watering after germination is too likely to cause the roots hang around at the surface and be vulnerable to drying out later... ungerminated seed is not going to care about daily watering... ungerminated seed may very well wait till Spring if need be and will not die in the meantime becuz the lack of daily watering...
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