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Old 10-09-2013, 07:04 PM
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Sure is. That is the form most active on bermuda as well. Bermuda will tolerate low rates of amine, like what is in Confront.
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:29 PM
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Greendoctor,
You must have a well educated rep, one that fills in the voids of such herbicide combinations as yours that probes such residential lawn sites. I realize that all labels document any and or all other products that can be used in combinations. Their is always the disclaimer to do test runs and compatibility tests before mixing. If the label is all the real information we have, then where does one obtain your knowledge of these products to mix and at what rates per M? For the pro that sprays lawns either full time or part time, not all of us is privy to such hardcore blends of herbicides. I spoke with our State University and Turfgrass Association Director yesterday. He has a PH.D and is a Turfgrass Specialist and Weed Science Professor as well as a Board Member. I asked about my problem to control the grass weed in my thread. All I could obtain was vague and untested information. I was told to do trials to see what will work at the expense to the customer. I about dropped my cell phone out the window as I learned of this advise.
Getting back to topic. In my earlier years of applications, back when I had my first run in with the State Plant Board inspector. After showing my license, elaborating to what product(s) I was using--Their EPA numbers, MSDS sheets and what target weed(s) were in scope, A tank smell test and lengthy speech was given to me about mixing products that were not advised on the labels. In saying this, how do you get away with mixing these blends such as yours and not stay under fire from the EPA or your state inspector?
Maybe you have a silver bullet person in your pocket for information or your State isn't as strict as you say.
Around here..................things aren't so happy go lucky and mixing.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:42 AM
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The DOA is strict, but fair. IOW, if it is not specifically prohibited by the label, its ok. Site is on label and product(s) otherwise applied according to directions, ok. Nothing that I have put together says "do not tank mix with....." On the other hand, what I mentioned about the Acclaim is on the label. 2,4-D and its relatives are antagonistic. They do not make up the label or add to the label on the spot. Their main concern is violations of the label that are conducive to drift or water contamination. Potential toxicity to humans or domestic animals is red flagged. They also will have oversight in situations where unintended effects such as turf death occurred. It seems that in many states, the inspectors already have a problem if the weed is not on the label judging by how many people say, "but I can't use that, the weed is not on the label". Well, I know that the manufacturers do not have the time or money to test their product on every weed found in each of the 50 states. So exactly what did you put together that they had such a problem with it?

I do not have a well educated rep to help me. A lot of what I do comes from reading work done in other states. I am also the pioneer in many cases. Believe it or not, once the likes of Bayer, BASF, or Syngenta gets their products registered in Hawaii, I take those products on a test drive. However, my test drive never consists of putting out products on turf that is the least bit stressed. The grass being subjected to either a new product or a hot tank mix of the older products never has nutritional issues, irrigation issues or is not mowed at an optimal height. Again, not every weed in each of the 50 states can be put on the label. You want products to cost 10 times what they do.
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Old 10-11-2013, 07:55 PM
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First off green, it is not the mixture per say, it is the combination if any that is applied. The question of what is in my tank is the second thing if asked.
I guess, based on the expense of certain products that I cannot overcome the initial cost of triple mixing a tank for tough weed control. I have said a hundred times on this forum that I barely obtain 6-8.oo per m for most treatments.
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Old 10-11-2013, 08:04 PM
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With that said, most times invasive weed species are left along and only treated by customers with a larger pocket book.
I understand that a herb maker cannot list all weeds on their label. But to those anal retentive inspectors who follow the " not listed-do not spray" attitude for certain weeds, then how am I to persuade them otherwise? The label if you can or can't is the law. My inspectors don't play games with word manipulation and I don't have the time to spend in meetings with board law makers over such frivolous implications. No to mention it is a 2 1/2 hour drive to make a statement......and my other work doesn't get done.
I wish I had access to educated reps who will be honest of mixing combinations who isn't part of the big picture of sell them more when the first trick didn't work.
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Old 10-12-2013, 04:58 AM
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I think it is more an issue of your inspector making his own rules. That is worth complaining and appealing to all interested parties. Unless you are doing something like applying Gramoxone in a school playground, it is a case of him making his own rules and adding them to the label. Is the product labeled for use on turf. I have the good fortune of having agents that know the label. Unless a label says "do not apply for control of" or "not effective for control of". Use site is named on the label. I do not do things like apply high toxicity products prohibiting usage in residential or public areas.
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Old 10-13-2013, 11:48 AM
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Dumb basic question from a northerner

So Axonopus Compressus is an annual? It sounds as if it behaves like one of our obnoxiously difficult to control perennial weeds.
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Old 10-13-2013, 02:11 PM
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The only obnoxious and difficult thing to control is the Plant Board agent covering Think Green's district. His issue is that because carpet grass is not on the label of most herbicides as a controlled weed, the agent will cite him.
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