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Old 10-09-2013, 08:43 PM
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Ok, now what?

Looks like a home owner did the job. These things happen. Common here in the United States.
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I'm confused by your question.
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:14 PM
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Sorry that is a total rip out. Most likely the homeowner or "contractor" was scared by the potential for an engineer or building permit, so in their mind skirted around it by building 3, 3.5' walls instead of 1, 10' wall. The problem is that is an engineer situation. No issue with tiers in that fashion, but no way is that tiering a substitute for proper installation practices. I would not touch that wall without a plan. There are pressure issues that clearly need to be dealt with.
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:37 PM
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I'm confused by your question.
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No need for speculation. It is what it is. Remove the wall and start over.

People are do-it-your-selfers. That's life.
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:46 PM
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Ok, now what?

Looks like a home owner did the job. These things happen. Common here in the United States.
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He was asking for advice. He doesn't care if a homeowner did the wall or not.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:51 PM
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Yeah, I think I'll call an engineer on this one. Then I can just follow their plan.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:53 PM
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Sorry that is a total rip out. Most likely the homeowner or "contractor" was scared by the potential for an engineer or building permit, so in their mind skirted around it by building 3, 3.5' walls instead of 1, 10' wall. The problem is that is an engineer situation. No issue with tiers in that fashion, but no way is that tiering a substitute for proper installation practices. I would not touch that wall without a plan. There are pressure issues that clearly need to be dealt with.
Thanks for your response! This makes a lot of sense to me. I'm going to tell this to the homeowner and see what he says.
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Old 10-10-2013, 06:36 AM
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Don't let dollar signs fog your thoughts. Follow though with an engineered wall or decline the job all together.
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:04 AM
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I have a feeling once he sees the price of an engineered wall he will faint since he has already had this wall built TWICE by some weekend warriors, probably for beer money.
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Old 10-10-2013, 09:28 AM
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He was asking for advice. He doesn't care if a homeowner did the wall or not.
Absolutely he cares if the h/o did the wall or not.

And I will explain why:

If the h/o did the wall - then most likely they are the type that can not afford to have the wall done correctly, which my basis for my theory comes from what I see in the pictures.

It's obvious that the topic creator isn't well versed in retaining wall construction. Which is fine, that's ok, that's what this forum is for. But much of what is being discussed here are things that I, as a wall builder would have discussed on the initial visit.

The best thing to do is say "ok, this wall needs engineered", and explain WHY. You then say "engineering alone will cost $1000 to $1500". The customer will say right then and there is they want to proceed or not.

Or they other way is to do what I call a "preliminary proposal". I base the proposal based on my knowledge and expertise, I include the engineering costs, and if the h/o wants to proceed - we then call the engineer. And then most likely my preliminary estimate will be correct after the engineering is done.

So yeah, all these things need discussed from day one before a person goes wasting their time. The other day someone called me and said "you'll have to wheel barrow 200 cu yds of soil". I said "we can do that, but it will be cheaper to sell the home and let someone else deal with it". Basically saying, it will be costly and if you're not prepared to spend the money then I do not want to proceed any further.


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Old 10-16-2013, 10:37 PM
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Do you guys hire engineers for all your walls? Or just over a certain size?
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