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Old 11-02-2013, 10:01 PM
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Efficiency. After going out the last few weeks it's more toward the $70 range. Some much more, some little les s. Efficiency is why you buy a 60" ztr, a leaf loader, dump truck, backpack blower etc. Say you charge 50 per mh for a 10k mower. Should you charge the same hourly for one with a 2k bagger, 3k leaf loader, dump truck, $600 blower? Heck no.
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I see the more elaborate your set up, get compensated for it correct. I just picked up a bagger unit for my mower, tomorrow I will be going to get gator blades I believe adding these two tools to the line up will help a great deal. I have a big yard I'm going to try it out on.
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Old 11-02-2013, 11:43 PM
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I see the more elaborate your set up, get compensated for it correct. I just picked up a bagger unit for my mower, tomorrow I will be going to get gator blades I believe adding these two tools to the line up will help a great deal. I have a big yard I'm going to try it out on.
no. Not really
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Old 11-03-2013, 07:00 AM
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You should be charging for your services. If it takes you longer, Bill for your efforts.
This is why this whole industry is failing. Customers are not paying for what the services are really worth.
It is truly OK to make a profit, otherwise dont do the extra service.
I love the fall, one of the most profitable times of the year for me.
Good point. I'm still mowing some lawns for what my Dad did in the early nineties. It's getting better but its a slow process.
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Old 11-03-2013, 07:05 AM
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Haven't you heard of the pallet idea? Stick a pallet standing up hooked to Chain. When ready to dump hook chain to tree and drive forward
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This absolutely works. I do it all the time when I don't want to use my dump truck.
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Old 11-03-2013, 05:20 PM
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You should be charging for your services. If it takes you longer, Bill for your efforts.
This is why this whole industry is failing. Customers are not paying for what the services are really worth.
It is truly OK to make a profit, otherwise dont do the extra service.
I love the fall, one of the most profitable times of the year for me.
One can not bill 8 hours to do a 4 hour job because you do not have the right equipment.

Because a 60" mower can do 2 acre in 1 hour does not mean the job is worth 4 hours because you use a 20' pusher.
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Old 11-03-2013, 05:25 PM
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You should be charging for your services. If it takes you longer, Bill for your efforts.
This is why this whole industry is failing. Customers are not paying for what the services are really worth.
It is truly OK to make a profit, otherwise dont do the extra service.
I love the fall, one of the most profitable times of the year for me.
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Hit it on the head.

You should be getting paid for the extra time spent. Fall cleanups we bill out $80-$100 / man hour compared to 50/mh for mowing. Why? $3000 leaf loader, dump truck, triple the gas, tons more work. etc etc.

No the both of you only hit your thumb with the hammer.

You are right to charge what you charge because you have the expenses that must be covered. The person you quoted does not have your expensive leaf clean up equipment and can not match your productivity.
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Old 11-03-2013, 06:06 PM
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A lot of customers I've dealt with in my area don't want the leaves mulched with a mower. They want them completely up from their lawn. The option of mulching them up is out of the question. A lot of people won't even let a mower touch their property. They want them blown and completely taken away.
Where I am a lawn can still need mowing till the last week of October. The few leaves that fall down will be mulched with no problem. You will see some leaf bits when you are done. Thing is when you come back next week they will not be visible.

Then starting the first week in November when the leaves fall to heavy to just mulch I start weekly leaf clean ups. And my customers do not want to see a lawn of mulched leaves either.

Then best to use a mower with bagger and or a lawn vacuum system.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:20 PM
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Then starting the first week in November when the leaves fall to(too) heavy to just mulch(,) I start weekly leaf clean ups. And my customers do not want to see a lawn of mulched leaves either.

Then best to use a mower with bagger and or a lawn vacuum system.
And I'll bet you just give them the additional service free of charge in November even though it requires more resources, because you are a nice guy, or a fool!
Im surely not going to give away free labor and machine time. That is the quickest way to go out of business.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:45 PM
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And I'll bet you just give them the additional service free of charge in November even though it requires more resources, because you are a nice guy, or a fool!
Im surely not going to give away free labor and machine time. That is the quickest way to go out of business.
I never said to not charge. Never said to work for free.

I did say because one does not have the right equipment one can not charge 4 hours for a job that will take someone with the right equipment 1 hour.

Example a $100 job is not a $400 job because ones equipment is not up to the task. You need the work. You have the time. You take the job and save till you get the right equipment. Or you pass on it.

Would you pay for the extra time to have tires installed when instead of the shop using a lift, tire machine, impact gun they did not have them so they used a lug wrench, floor jack lifting one wheel at a time, no tire machine to break the bead, and removed the old tire from the wheel and installed the new tire on the wheel by hand using tire irons?

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