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Old 12-18-2013, 06:34 PM
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People leave out the most important factor in selecting equipment.

Wear and tear on the body. The person sitting for 30 years will have less knee, hip, and leg problems then the guy standing or walking.
Another factor to consider is back problems. I have these and sitting on a Ztr for hours on end I wouldn't be able to move the next day. This is where a stander serves me well. I am curious what a previous poster asked about the expenses with a stander vs a walk behind.
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Old 12-18-2013, 07:52 PM
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Another factor to consider is back problems. I have these and sitting on a Ztr for hours on end I wouldn't be able to move the next day. This is where a stander serves me well. I am curious what a previous poster asked about the expenses with a stander vs a walk behind.
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Cost wise, i cant seem to find where a stander is more costly to purchase or run when compared to a similar sized machine (deck and engine). What is really adventageous about walk behinds? Yes they are easier to turn, but some people who have worked for me seem to have trouble learning them, where the Stander demo was much easier to grasp.
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Old 12-18-2013, 11:54 PM
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Wear and tear on a body? From WALKING behind a mower? Really? We are not talking about pro football here folks.... We are talking about WALKING behind a mower.... Ever hear of a little thing called exercise? The man that uses a walk behind for 20 year is going to have a lot less back, leg, and hip problems that the sedentary man sitting on his duff for 20 years. This is proven stuff here folks...
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Old 12-19-2013, 12:08 AM
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I have been researching a new mower for a while now and still cant bite thebullet on the $$$. My whole thing is standers people say cant hold a hill like a walk behind but some say they can. One plus to w/b, weight. stander is still 200 pounds more than the w/b. And this is a biggy to me. In the last year I have been using a 48 rider and I have noticed my yards starting to get ruts. And most people around here their yards arent huge. I have very rarely cut wide open speed with my rider I have right now. So to me it makes more sense to buy a walk behind vs rider. for a smaller company. but even a bigger comapnay you have to think about the footprint on the yard. I guess if you have two or three different size mowers you can switch it up so u dont get ruts as badly. the stand on mower is intriguing to me though. as far as business wise stander and walkbehind cant be too far off on maintenance costs. seems like they have similar parts or I am wrong??? dont know a whole lot about standers and before anyone says anything, I do change my routes on the yard.

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Old 12-19-2013, 01:14 PM
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[QUOTE= The man that uses a walk behind for 20 year is going to have a lot less back, leg, and hip problems that the sedentary man sitting on his duff for 20 years. This is proven stuff here folks...[/QUOTE]

That's me!
Been walking (some of the same) lawns for 20+ years.
When winter hits I hit the treadmill.
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Old 01-02-2014, 12:02 AM
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OK SOOO..Ö what's the verdict???
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Old 01-02-2014, 02:16 AM
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3 60" TT. 2 52" S TT. 1 36" Encore walkbehind and one Lazer X 60" serve me well. I use the walk behinds 95% of the time and use the Lazer on big lots. Only thing I would like to change is the Lazer to a 72" and make my 36" an Exmark. But its okay, I only use the 36" on around 20 back yards and haven't personally used it in probably 9 years...

I've got tens of thousands of hours on walkbehinds with velkes personally and have no issues. In fact, I don't like the Lazer because even with the cushy seat, its not nearly as comfortable as a velke with good bushings in it. Maintain your velke and keep it tight and it won't sway side to side and twerk your knees.
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Old 01-02-2014, 05:56 PM
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Old 01-02-2014, 06:13 PM
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I have been researching a new mower for a while now and still cant bite thebullet on the $$$. My whole thing is standers people say cant hold a hill like a walk behind but some say they can. One plus to w/b, weight. stander is still 200 pounds more than the w/b. And this is a biggy to me. In the last year I have been using a 48 rider and I have noticed my yards starting to get ruts. And most people around here their yards arent huge. I have very rarely cut wide open speed with my rider I have right now. So to me it makes more sense to buy a walk behind vs rider. for a smaller company. but even a bigger comapnay you have to think about the footprint on the yard. I guess if you have two or three different size mowers you can switch it up so u dont get ruts as badly. the stand on mower is intriguing to me though. as far as business wise stander and walkbehind cant be too far off on maintenance costs. seems like they have similar parts or I am wrong??? dont know a whole lot about standers and before anyone says anything, I do change my routes on the yard.
Just for the sake of a point of reference: I own Exmark wb's and a Vantage.

Both mowers have their strong points and weaknesses. Based on the information you have given it would seem a wb would be your best option. The 60" wb I have weighs around 750 lbs. and the 60" Vantage weighs around 1050 lbs + the weight of the operator. Many who run standers note they tend to rut/track more and tear up tender turf especially on side hills. I am from East Tennessee and we have lots of hills. The Vantage is a lot more fun to operate but at the end of the week the cutting times are nearly identical between the 2 units. Not knowing what your properties are like it is hard to tell you which would be best for you. A week long demo would be your best option providing you have a dealer willing to let you use one of their units that long. While others may disagree, imo a stander is close to a rider only you are standing rather than sitting. On hills, the larger the deck the better the stander seems to do. That said, with a wb you can manhandle it just a bit but with a stander once it gets past a certain point you just go with it. If you can only purchase one mower a wb might be best. Later, if you have the cash consider getting a stander to go with it.
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:08 PM
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We switched over late in 2011--and we held onto the Z for a while after that, but it wasn't ever getting used so I sold it. We have 1 TTX 52" and 3 TT S 48" ( I may sell one). We were running two, two man crews and then shrunk to one three man crew--thus the extra mower. We have a cheap sulky for the TTX, but it only gets used at my house and on one other account.

Honestly if you are at all concerned about turf health and are the least bit environmentally sensitive (which is a huge marketing part of this) you need to make the switch. Your bottom line will thank you as well. If you have a portfolio of accounts with wide open spaces larger than 2 acres--then have a Z, but make sure you can keep it busy. If you have large condo associations--with high acreage but that is all broken up the walkbehinds will be a huge savings. If you do only residential and you have employees the walkbehinds are a step in having fewer account damages--ie collisions, turn circles, ruts, tears on hills, etc....

But for this to work well you need to buy nice walkbehinds that have some ergonomic improvement and that come with good power plant options. Exmark turf tracers with the ECS, Toro has a high end hydro float deck walkbehind with ergonomic controls, the hustler isn't bad--cut quality and hill stability were lacking next to the TTS/TTX. But do persuade your dealer to let you try these for at least a week.

If you are a solo operator--this might not be for you--this is particularly powerful for companies running crews with 3 or more members. This is the reason Brickman does this as well as many larger commercial maintenance companies.

Exmark if you are lurking on here--we need Kohler 21 EFI gasoline on the S series---you give the propane option, we want the gasser
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