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Old 03-21-2014, 12:13 AM
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Jim, have you guys tried lawn vacs instead of blowing it off? just curious, I feel like that would work pretty well in this situation. Looks SO good, fantastic work.

I'm also really curious as to whats underneath exactly. Pics would be awesome!
No. Don't know where I'd get one. But that would be nice. We were blowing that off for over an hour. After initial install, there is a LOT of little blades that keep coming up. Annoying as all......

See the link I just posted on the last reply. That will give you a good idea of what the base is like. Similar to a paver installation, except you don't have to excavate quite as deep.

1. Excavate to 4-5' deep
2. Install approx. 3" of 3/4" or 1" aggregate with some fines in it.
3. Compact to 98% compaction
4. Install approx. 2" of 1/4" aggregate with fines.
5. Grade smooth & compact to 98% compaction
6. Lay down turf
7. Cut edges
8. Install seam (if needed)
9. Install fasteners (screws, spikes, etc. different brands use different fasteners).
10. Blow off (or vacuum)
11. Power Broom
12. Blow one more time to get lines from power broom to disappear
13. Collect $$$

Step 8 is the hardest step, by far. Very difficult to learn how to seam this stuff well. Best to get some help the first few times when doing a seam. That's one reason I still really love SYNLawn. The owner of the local SYNLawn branch is always close by if we need any help. Haven't needed him at all for the last 3-4 jobs we've done. But he helped us a lot on the first several installs. Mainly with the seaming. Most companies, in my experience, get the seaming wrong. And it stands out really bad when you don't do it right.

I should mention that I buy turf that doesn't require an Infill. Some less expensive varieties DO require an infill. So that would be step 10 I guess. That's another reason I like the high end SYNLawn stuff. No Infill required. I hate Infill.
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Old 03-21-2014, 12:29 AM
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We ordered the synthetic turf from ACTGlobal and it was $2.39 per sqr./ft. I still maintain a property that we installed it on a few years ago and it still looks as good as the day it was installed.
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Old 03-21-2014, 12:33 AM
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Definitely plenty of cheaper brands out there. Just not our M.O. I never go with the cheap stuff. You get what you pay for.

But I'm interested in how it looks. Next week when you're there, snap a photo and post it here for us to see.
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Old 03-21-2014, 12:52 AM
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No. Don't know where I'd get one. But that would be nice. We were blowing that off for over an hour. After initial install, there is a LOT of little blades that keep coming up. Annoying as all......

See the link I just posted on the last reply. That will give you a good idea of what the base is like. Similar to a paver installation, except you don't have to excavate quite as deep.

1. Excavate to 4-5' deep
2. Install approx. 3" of 3/4" or 1" aggregate with some fines in it.
3. Compact to 98% compaction
4. Install approx. 2" of 1/4" aggregate with fines.
5. Grade smooth & compact to 98% compaction
6. Lay down turf
7. Cut edges
8. Install seam (if needed)
9. Install fasteners (screws, spikes, etc. different brands use different fasteners).
10. Blow off (or vacuum)
11. Power Broom
12. Blow one more time to get lines from power broom to disappear
13. Collect $$$

Step 8 is the hardest step, by far. Very difficult to learn how to seam this stuff well. Best to get some help the first few times when doing a seam. That's one reason I still really love SYNLawn. The owner of the local SYNLawn branch is always close by if we need any help. Haven't needed him at all for the last 3-4 jobs we've done. But he helped us a lot on the first several installs. Mainly with the seaming. Most companies, in my experience, get the seaming wrong. And it stands out really bad when you don't do it right.

I should mention that I buy turf that doesn't require an Infill. Some less expensive varieties DO require an infill. So that would be step 10 I guess. That's another reason I like the high end SYNLawn stuff. No Infill required. I hate Infill.
Billy goat makes a good vac. Check it out, might be a faster approach to the add on service. See what your rep says next time you talk to him. Again, looks awesome
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Old 03-21-2014, 02:19 PM
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well it is really nice looking-but a little, I don't know, strange?
What's it feel like to walk barefoot on it?
So it obviously is green year round, right?
That could look funny in certain regions.

I guess it is truly chemical-free, though, and no carbon footprint from mowing.

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Old 03-21-2014, 02:39 PM
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Yah, like I said, it's not for everyone. Not the same as real grass. But there are just some areas where real grass doesn't work well either. So this fits well in that space.

It feels pretty nice. It's popular with kids/dogs/families.
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Old 03-21-2014, 08:47 PM
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I did a 3000 sf install last year, loved it. I think you gave me some pointers. I'll look at your pics when on my computer later but I'm sure it looks great.

Why do you hate infill?
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:00 PM
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Why do you hate infill?
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1. Creates add'l labor / expense
2. Dogs track it inside
3. Kids / Adults track it inside
4. Gets into surrounding landscape beds
5. Needs to be replenished over time
6. You only need infill because the thread count isn't high enough on your turf that it stands up on it's own. So you have to use the infill for ballast to keep the blades up. I'd prefer the blades just stay up on their own without the need for infill.
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Old 03-21-2014, 10:31 PM
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1. Creates add'l labor / expense
2. Dogs track it inside
3. Kids / Adults track it inside
4. Gets into surrounding landscape beds
5. Needs to be replenished over time
6. You only need infill because the thread count isn't high enough on your turf that it stands up on it's own. So you have to use the infill for ballast to keep the blades up. I'd prefer the blades just stay up on their own without the need for infill.
Yea that makes sense.
Infill gets messy.
We maintain a site with an artificial turf dog park. People make the strangest faces when they see the sprinklers turn on and water it lol . When used as a dog park they recommend irrigation to wash away the urine or else it starts smelling really ba especially in the summer.
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Old 03-22-2014, 02:31 PM
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Any issues with weeds?
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It's a legit question. There is a house with a synthetic lawn near my shop. There are more weeds growing in it than I've ever seen growing in a real lawn! It's a mess.
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