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Old 05-12-2014, 01:00 AM
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Not only was I considering a diesel I was also looking into the 5.7 Hemi and the newer F-150's (2004+) with the Triton. I've actually seen quite a few Dodges with high miles that are still in decent shape. My father had a 5.7 before he picked up the diesel that had 247,000 on it and everything on that truck still worked and didn't lose a drop of oil. He replaced normal high mileage parts (front struts, ball joints lower and upper, control arm, and a drive shaft I believe, other then that, that thing ran like it was off the show room. On the mulch, just yesterday I had two yards in the bed with mulch coming over the bed rails with a tarp I strapped down over it, pulling a trailer loaded down. My 4.7 was squatting, brakes we're weak as could be, and felt like I was trying to drive with a loose steering wheel, luckily I only had to go a few miles down the road from the supplier. There's been numerous times I felt like I needed more. I'm going to change the PCV and PCV Hose tomorrow and see how the oil burning goes this week before I look into anything else.
You know there is business without mulch.

You don't HAVE to do mulch.

And a diesel isn't going to do anything for you, Payload wise. Diesels weigh more.
If you are going to do mulch enough, a decent trailer and a 3/4 ton will be sufficient.
4.7, is that a six cylinder or a 318 magnum?
The squat has nothing to do with the engine and everything to do with the leaf springs.
Air Bags would also solve this problem.
Brakes, well that's another issue, but you are clearly trying to eat soup with a fork here.

What percentage of your income stems from Mulch/tree operations?
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Old 05-12-2014, 02:23 AM
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My 4.7 was squatting, brakes we're weak as could be, and felt like I was trying to drive with a loose steering wheel, luckily I only had to go a few miles down the road from the supplier. There's been numerous times I felt like I needed more. I'm going to change the PCV and PCV Hose tomorrow and see how the oil burning goes this week before I look into anything else.
Get some brakes on your trailer. It makes a huge difference and you will no longer be a safety hazard to yourself and everyone else on the road. It will save your truck brakes too. We towed for 1 season with no trailer brakes and the stopping distance just didn't feel safe to me. We also ate truck brakes and rotors in one season.

Personally, I wouldn't tow what we have (16ft open trailer with anything less than a strong 5.7 gasser) We tried to use our backup truck (5.0 liter Ford) one season and it just couldn't handle it and actually shut down one time. Now we just use it as a second truck when we do larger jobs.
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Old 05-13-2014, 08:42 AM
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If you can't solve the burning oil problem, then the decision has been made. You have to run a dependable truck.

The other factor is what kind of mower are you currently using, and what would you buy? Will there be a big productivity gain? Are you going from a 36" walk behind to a 60" ZTR? Huge difference. But a 48" ztr to a 52" ZTR won't do as much for the bottom line.
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Old 05-16-2014, 11:33 PM
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You know there is business without mulch.

You don't HAVE to do mulch.

What percentage of your income stems from Mulch/tree operations?
I wish you would tell that to my few hold outs that want it. I never liked it and mulch is very expensive in this part of the country. There is little profit in it and we would be better off just mowing.

As for % thats a good question? We seem to average about $7000-8000 a year from it so % wise it sucks were talking 3-3.5% hardly worth getting excited about.
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:30 AM
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I wish you would tell that to my few hold outs that want it. I never liked it and mulch is very expensive in this part of the country. There is little profit in it and we would be better off just mowing.

As for % thats a good question? We seem to average about $7000-8000 a year from it so % wise it sucks were talking 3-3.5% hardly worth getting excited about.
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Old 05-17-2014, 01:03 PM
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I wish you would tell that to my few hold outs that want it. I never liked it and mulch is very expensive in this part of the country. There is little profit in it and we would be better off just mowing.

As for % thats a good question? We seem to average about $7000-8000 a year from it so % wise it sucks were talking 3-3.5% hardly worth getting excited about.

So ummm just say NO?

Or price it high enough so you don't get any mulch jobs, and if you do its WELL worth it.

If mulch is pricey, then price every yard x3 installed… how many mulch jobs would you have to do then? 0?
Good. (since you don't want to to them)

OR you can simply say "we don't do mulch"

what kind of trucks and equipment do you have to keep around, that you wouldn't use ordinarily, to move/transport mulch (large quantities) when it's only 3% of your business?
Dump trucks and dump trailers? But you are only doing maintenance?
I can guarantee any and all mulch you are doing is costing you money to even do it.
You don't have the volume to justify the asset.

"IF" you have full service clients (the whole nine yards) who also need mulch, and they are decent high volume clients.
Price the job with bulk mulch delivered to the property. This way you don't have to manage/transport it. (and keep those assets on the books)
THE ONLY reason why you are doing THESE much jobs AT all, is because you are bending over for a good full service client, and in this case, you don't even need to make money on that one service. You're just keeping the client happy (because you make money on all the services you specialize in)
In theory you could even source this part of the work out to someone who DOES specialize in mulch.
I like to use install companies for this, because they are already mulching their jobs in the first place.
Try to find one that only does installs or not much maintenance (I know hard to find in CT, every one is a full service company)
But for you..in your area, Look up Phil Grande, Ivy League Landscaping, on the West Haven/Orange Line. He will gladly deliver bulk mulch to you (bagged or true bulk) and I'm sure you can sub his people straight up for the mulch work too. And I know Phil won't go after or steal your customers, he's too busy for that.
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Old 05-17-2014, 01:09 PM
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To every one I say, do what you do best.

you can mow and make money with s-10s, rangers and 1/2 ton trucks, never owning big expensive rigs.

Expand your list/network with other companies and vendors to better service your clients.

just look at how they do it in southern utah (it's worth a plan ticket to check it out in person)

nissan frontier seems to be the contractor work rig of choice (yes even for install contractors)

EVERYTHING gets delivered to the job site, with just a phone call (AND QUICK, not only same day but with in hours)
in UTAH if I call star nursery and place an order at 10 am for top soil, plants, and rock mulch, I better have my irrigation in by 2PM because the loads are showing up!
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Old 05-17-2014, 01:51 PM
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have you thought of a 3/4 instead of the 1ton diesel? the gas 3/4 ton with one or two helper springs in the back will haul more than you can put in the box and still have tons of power to pull almost anything on a trailer. we've got the chev 2500's with the big vortecs at work and it hauling the mini hoe and couple yards of gravel no problem.
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Old 05-17-2014, 02:29 PM
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have you thought of a 3/4 instead of the 1ton diesel? the gas 3/4 ton with one or two helper springs in the back will haul more than you can put in the box and still have tons of power to pull almost anything on a trailer. we've got the chev 2500's with the big vortecs at work and it hauling the mini hoe and couple yards of gravel no problem.
The only difference is $500 and a helper spring
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Old 05-17-2014, 02:54 PM
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No.

the one tons are quite a bit different, rear axles and differential are different.
Frequently so are the brake specs (depending on model and year)

They are very different (3/4 to 1 ton) on the fords.

Chevys I haven't look too close.

There for a while you couldn't even GET a true 1 ton dodge.

You don't need to do a dang thing to a 3/4 ton gasser to carry a bed full of mulch, It will do fine without any modifications.
Even if you put sides on it.

I used to a do a cord of wood in the back of my 3/4 ton regularly long haul of of the back woods, with stake pocket sides on it.
IT will handle mulch with no issues.

However, that's really not a lot of mulch, all things considered.


seriosuly…. just. have. it. delivered.

Unless you have a REAL truck (like a dually dump) there is no sense in "upgrading" to a 3/4 ton for a month of work.
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