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Old 07-20-2014, 05:08 PM
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Considering there is no difference between the chevy trucks and you are trying to keep under cdl I would definitely go with the 2500. Dodge are the only ones doing anything different between the 2500'and 3500 with the 2500 having IRS now.
Might be mistaken but I do believe there is a difference between 2500 and 3500 SRW chevy trucks, at least in the rear suspension. The front is IFS in both. The 3500 SRW GVWR is like 11,400# vs the 2500 at 10,000#. This comes from a 3 stage rear leaf spring in the 3500 vs the 2 stage in the 2500. The chassis of the 3500 SRW is identical to that of the 3500 dually including suspension, but the 3500 dually has the additional capacity of 2 more rear tires.
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Old 07-20-2014, 07:16 PM
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The chassis of the 2500 is identical to the chassis of a dually too. The 3500 srw chevy has one more leaf in the rear. So there is basically no difference between them. I said IRS meaning independent rear suspension. And I was referring to the new dodges being the only company currently making a heavier duty 3500 than 2500.
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Old 07-20-2014, 07:33 PM
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The 3500 chevy has one more leaf in the rear. So there is basically no difference between them. I said IRS meaning independent rear suspension. And I was referring to the new dodges being the only company currently making a heavier duty 3500 than 2500.
If you're referring to the dodge having IRS, I stand corrected. I do not keep track of dodge.

I don't know how you define "heavy duty" or "heavier duty" but for my conversation I am going by a number as classified by a manufacturer and the law. To me an additional legal payload allowance of 1400# +/- is considered "heavier duty". So yes, I consider a 3500HD SRW Chevy "heavier duty" than a 2500HD. If the engineers that designed the vehicle are confident that all that needs to be raised for additional payload is the one additional leaf in the spring, that's good enough for me. I don't see too many trucks having axle, chassis, brake problems, etc.

If you or dodge don't consider that "heavier duty" than we can agree to disagree. As I mentioned before, my original post is not to discuss dodge vs chevy vs ford, but rather what configuration of combination gvwr (higher truck/lower trailer or higher trailer/lower truck) ya'll would opt to haul a particular load.
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Old 07-20-2014, 07:46 PM
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If you're referring to the dodge having IRS, I stand corrected. I do not keep track of dodge.

I don't know how you define "heavy duty" or "heavier duty" but for my conversation I am going by a number as classified by a manufacturer and the law. To me an additional legal payload allowance of 1400# +/- is considered "heavier duty". So yes, I consider a 3500HD SRW Chevy "heavier duty" than a 2500HD. If the engineers that designed the vehicle are confident that all that needs to be raised for additional payload is the one additional leaf in the spring, that's good enough for me. I don't see too many trucks having axle, chassis, brake problems, etc.

If you or dodge don't consider that "heavier duty" than we can agree to disagree. As I mentioned before, my original post is not to discuss dodge vs chevy vs ford, but rather what configuration of combination gvwr (higher truck/lower trailer or higher trailer/lower truck) ya'll would opt to haul a particular load.

Um Okay... Well I was trying to answer that question for you. I didn't realize you needed to be coddled so much while answering your question. I told you what the difference was and as a side note I told you that dodge are the only ones making different chassis between their 2500 and 3500s. Didn't get into which one I think is better. I have a chevy 2500 lol.

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Hi mr. Burn the furniture, cool user name sir. Congratulations on your future new truck purchase and already having 15 others in the fleet. That's really impressive! So there is very little difference between the two trucks in question, just a leaf spring. But either one you choose will be the coolest truck in the world with you behind the wheel.
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Old 07-20-2014, 07:55 PM
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Um Okay... Well I was trying to answer that question for you. I didn't realize you needed to be coddled so much while answering your question. I told you what the difference was and as a side note I told you that dodge are the only ones making different chassis between their 2500 and 3500s. Didn't get into which one I think is better. I have a chevy 2500 lol.

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Hi mr. Burn the furniture, cool user name sir. Congratulations on your future new truck purchase and already having 15 others in the fleet. That's really impressive! So there is very little difference between the two trucks in question, just a leaf spring. But either one you choose will be the coolest truck in the world with you behind the wheel.
Thank you for filling me in about the dodge. As I conceded, I do not know about dodge, so you did fill me in. No indictment intended about the dodge vs chevy vs ford, I honestly have no idea what trucks you have or don't have. I simply wanted to avoid this turning into a opinion of which truck was best thread.

Thanks for your answer, I do apologize for requiring the clarification. Clearly you know your stuff. I see no need for personal jabs. Have a nice day.

Btw, I do like my username. It is the name of a jazz combo I played in for several years.
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Old 07-20-2014, 09:37 PM
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They are the same with the exception of the leaf spring and the gvwr on the door jamb.

If the one ton will allow you to stay under 26 I would buy it over a 3/4 ton. Also, insurance can vary between the two

Some states it's beneficial to stay under 10k for med card laws. That varies state by state , which is basically why we have a "3/4" and a "1 ton"

That being said, you can buy a f350 with a 10k package if that's a concern of yours. Not sure if Chevy offers it
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Old 07-21-2014, 08:29 AM
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I know the chevy IFS for 2011+ trucks was about twice as beefy as previous years. I have not considered a difference in toe angle with a load, and while that is a possibility, I have never seen uneven wear in my experience out of the 15+ chevy trucks we have had and currently have. However, doesn't mean thats not a good point. We are low mileage but even then, the loads we are currently having to pull with a gas truck really would better lend themselves to the extra power of a diesel. I know with that said the "payoff" for longevity and long range towing vs the added expense of a diesel may not be there when low mileage, but do you think there is a time when weight of load alone would necessitate it? I'm just asking your opinion. I find that I am towing 12-13k loads several times a week, and anticipate larger loads and trailers in the future.
I just think in your case diesel is a preference. It would seem like a 6 speed tranny would make up for the less torque. My landlord has a 40k gross dump truck with a 360 cu inch gas engine putting out around 300hp. It's all gearing. Will the diesel handle the load better? heck ya it will. Also a bumper pull won't effect toe angle like a gooseneck. Bumper pull you actually lift the front end up a little due to all the weight being on the end of the truck. Gooseneck will squash the whole truck down. This is why all 4500 and larger are all solid axles. The ride quality won't be there, but it will handle heavy loads better. If you are considering diesel I would also look hard at the Cummins over dmax. Also you might be interested in the engine braking of diesels.
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Old 07-21-2014, 08:45 AM
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When you get into 4500 and larger trucks the trailer has to be under 10k because he'll be over 26 combined.

Can't hual a 10k machine on a 10k trailer lol
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Old 07-21-2014, 08:54 AM
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When you get into 4500 and larger trucks the trailer has to be under 10k because he'll be over 26 combined.

Can't hual a 10k machine on a 10k trailer lol
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No one is arguing that.
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Old 07-21-2014, 08:55 AM
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Just pointing it out that's all
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