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Old 07-25-2014, 12:31 PM
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Been lurking here a few months, but first time poster. I have a potential issue with a some wiring on a system. Took resistance readings from the controller and i was getting 30-35 ohms on each valve, the valves are Rainbird DVF100s. This seemed low so I checked connections and ended up redoing all of them after ohming out each solenoid. Ohms taken directly off the solenoids were in the upper 40's. I redid all connections and got the same ohm measurements from the controller as before. Anybody know what could cause a 10-15 ohm drop in resistance, nicked common wire maybe? The main concern I have is that there is 8-strand coming into the controller and just beyond a paver patio in the back is a box with two valves with 4-strand leading to them with no visible splice box in the area.
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Old 07-25-2014, 03:45 PM
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Hey all,
Been lurking here a few months, but first time poster. I have a potential issue with a some wiring on a system. Took resistance readings from the controller and i was getting 30-35 ohms on each valve, the valves are Rainbird DVF100s. This seemed low so I checked connections and ended up redoing all of them after ohming out each solenoid. Ohms taken directly off the solenoids were in the upper 40's. I redid all connections and got the same ohm measurements from the controller as before. Anybody know what could cause a 10-15 ohm drop in resistance, nicked common wire maybe? The main concern I have is that there is 8-strand coming into the controller and just beyond a paver patio in the back is a box with two valves with 4-strand leading to them with no visible splice box in the area.
Unless you're having actual issues with performance, leave well enough alone. Benchmark the measurement at the controller for future reference and have a cold one.
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Old 07-25-2014, 04:19 PM
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Hi 1idejim, thanks for the reply! I should have prefaced what I said with that the controller alarm was being tripped so that led to me ohming the control wires. It's a Rainbird SMT, and if I ran a manual cycle of a minute or two per zone, the alarm would get tripped. Not necessarily on the same zone every time, sometimes on zone 1, sometimes on zone 3 or 4. Sometimes on the master valve which isn't even wired in. This controller also has a diagnostic feature to detect shorts but it isn't picking anything up. It seems the system has to run for a few minutes to get that alarm to trip.

The thought that something screwy could be going on with the controller has occurred to me so the first thing I'm going to do is to swap out the face plate when I get back. Thanks for reading through all this, this one has me stumped!
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Old 07-25-2014, 04:26 PM
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The fact that you're getting alarms in a master valve that you don't even have should be a flag for you...
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Old 07-25-2014, 06:20 PM
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The fact that you're getting alarms in a master valve that you don't even have should be a flag for you...
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I wonder if this is an older controller with the MV issue that somebody upgraded to an SMT. You can buy an SMT upgrade kit that just includes the faceplate and the weather sensor. Could be a hardware issue.
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Old 07-25-2014, 06:30 PM
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unplug it and let it sit for a minute. it may have a ghost in the circuitry. I had an LX this year sending constant voltage to random zones. a hard reset cleared it up
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Old 07-25-2014, 11:39 PM
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I wonder if this is an older controller with the MV issue that somebody upgraded to an SMT. You can buy an SMT upgrade kit that just includes the faceplate and the weather sensor. Could be a hardware issue.
Good point, I'll try replacing the backboard first and see if that resolves the problem.
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Old 07-26-2014, 04:14 AM
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Hi 1idejim, thanks for the reply! I should have prefaced what I said with that the controller alarm was being tripped so that led to me ohming the control wires. It's a Rainbird SMT, and if I ran a manual cycle of a minute or two per zone, the alarm would get tripped. Not necessarily on the same zone every time, sometimes on zone 1, sometimes on zone 3 or 4. Sometimes on the master valve which isn't even wired in. This controller also has a diagnostic feature to detect shorts but it isn't picking anything up. It seems the system has to run for a few minutes to get that alarm to trip.

The thought that something screwy could be going on with the controller has occurred to me so the first thing I'm going to do is to swap out the face plate when I get back. Thanks for reading through all this, this one has me stumped!
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Perform a short to earth measurement test.
1) adjust the DMM to 2000kohms
2) insert probe lead into earth and touch other probe to wire
3) results above 5-700,000 ohms indicates no earth contact.
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Old 07-26-2014, 02:17 PM
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Sometimes it takes a little while for the solenoid to heat up and short. Sometimes a valve will run for a few minutes before it shorts out.
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Old 07-28-2014, 02:23 AM
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Hi Jim,
Thanks for the info on troubleshooting a potential short. I just have a quick question.
The controller is an indoor mount, so can I test the wires from the valve box or should I splice in a length from the controller to the outside to check the resistance?
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