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Old 08-27-2014, 12:26 PM
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Glad to know I'm not the only one that likes plowing white gold!
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Old 08-27-2014, 01:25 PM
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So....I'm 85-90% sure I will exit the snow drill.

What do you tell your clients as far as finding another service?

The other angle is do you play stupid with an employer and pretend you are seeking permanent work or hey I'm leaving in March...?

Employers would rather hire long-term and not waste time with someone who will leave. Am I not correct?

Glad to know snow pays well for some of you. It clearly doesn't here.

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Old 08-27-2014, 01:54 PM
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The only time I've ever plowed was with a local municipality as a college kid. Sure that was fun. Take the truck out, plow a few lots, go to the shop and stuff donuts down your face, go out again later to "clean" it up, go back and sit until the days over. Use primo equipment on easy to plow places that are easily completed before people show up to use the lots.
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Old 08-27-2014, 03:22 PM
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In another thread a month or so ago I saw some post about working 18-20 hour days doing pipeline install. I think it was in the heavy equipment excavating section. I could see doing this short term but long term it sounded like it took a serious heavy personal toll on lives and families....?

I need to decide 100% by September 1st. Past snow clients want NEED to know.

Before my back injury few years back [almost quit the biz cold turkey] I had 25-30 residential driveway snow accounts... 100% blowers. Showed my route to my neices BF and he was fear struck on covering for me. Looking back now I don't even know how I was able to grind them all out on heavy snow days.
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Old 08-28-2014, 02:45 AM
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how do you tell your clients you aren't doing snow?

I have thought of a few ways:

1) beat it mack!
2) change the answering message to "Gone fish in, see you in the spring"
3) send them all quotes for the year that is triple your normal rate, due in advance.


Any of those should work!
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Old 08-28-2014, 10:22 AM
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I do not know how important it is keep landscape customers by doing their snow.

I have a lady. Afraid of falling. Enough snow to make her black driveway white she wants me there. I went up state to hunt for a day in early December with my oldest son.

We got an unexpected light snowfall. I get a call on my way back home about 2 hour ETA. She called me wanting me ASAP for the 1". My other son was home so I sent him. Cell phones are good. She was happy.

She loves my work. I leave large coffee can of extra salt that she can use.

She will not give me her landscape work. She is loyal to her Hispanic guy. He goes back home every November and comes back every spring.
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Old 08-28-2014, 10:59 AM
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If I could get $450-$555 for a residential driveway and walk season for flat rate snow...? Then I'd push hard on snow marketing.

One is doing good to get a $300 average for flat rate seasonal here. To do well one has to target a retirement community and the going rates are often much lower in those areas.

Last few winters there was a low priced guy doing flat rate seasonals for $195 with a required prepay. This person is NOT doing snow this year.

The leading Lawncare and snow contractor in that market charges $260-$300 flat rate. Getting a dense pool of closely spaced accounts requires a lowish price point in a retirement community. Remember this is snow blowing and hand shoveling walks. Not commercial parking lots in the cab of a truck with a sander on the back. I have heard what truck plow rates are here as well and the price point is low. Nothing like the price points the regulars on plowsite are claiming over the years.

My accountant says everyone she does taxes on "who does snow" looses $ every winter....last few years.

I have thought of working a ski resort...?

Keep the winter job ideas rolling.

Pizza delivery...? Everyone is happy to see the pizza being delivered.
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Pizza delivery is a great way to skate through the winter making a little scratch on the side.

It's mostly cash (a lot of independent pizzerias pay cash only) consistent daily income, ect.

If you're going to do pizza delivery, I recommend dominos. They pay usually a flat rate of $5/$6 an hour, plus $1.25-1.75 a delivery, plus tips. They're usually pretty busy. I did it during winters before I started my own company. You won't make that much at an independent pizzaria unless it's crazy busy. Also, if you work at an independent pizzaria they'll work you to the bone when it's not. For less than minimum wage they can keep it, that's why they pay cash, to cheat their employees more than Uncle Sam.
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Old 08-28-2014, 12:04 PM
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I do not know how important it is keep landscape customers by doing their snow.

I have a lady. Afraid of falling. Enough snow to make her black driveway white she wants me there. I went up state to hunt for a day in early December with my oldest son.

We got an unexpected light snowfall. I get a call on my way back home about 2 hour ETA. She called me wanting me ASAP for the 1". My other son was home so I sent him. Cell phones are good. She was happy.

She loves my work. I leave large coffee can of extra salt that she can use.

She will not give me her landscape work. She is loyal to her Hispanic guy. He goes back home every November and comes back every spring.
Honestly my growing season clients would not jump ship for snow. Like I said before my quality and attention to detail is very solid for the price point.

In the retirement community [think market density] I mentioned before there is little loyalty. They will typically jump at the lowest price. There is a tendency for these older folks to get on the phone and call me if their driveway is not cleared by 10am. It is a tough crowd to please and very aggravating.

A number of years back before my back injury...I pushed hard on snow in that community to gain snow accounts to get my foot in the door for lawn maintenance. It didn't work well. Clients I picked up for snow were very budget minded. Trying to chase the "retired limited income class" was a huge mistake.

My best client base now is "well off retired" and "working professionals" who have the money want quaility and are NOT constantly chasing the lowest price point. Most of these folks have their own snow throwers.
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Old 08-28-2014, 01:18 PM
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I hate plowing with a passion. Last year we went out over 35 times (over 120 inches of snow), and the going rate for a residential driveway around here is $200. I'm really down-sizing this year, and am going to do about 160 driveways with 2 trucks all in a 3 mile radius. We have swing wing back blades over here, so a residential driveway takes no longer than a minute, so that is one big reason why prices have fallen so much. I would probably lose lawn customers if I didn't plow, so that's really the only thing that keeps me plowing...
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Old 08-28-2014, 01:20 PM
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I hate plowing with a passion. Last year we went out over 35 times (over 120 inches of snow), and the going rate for a residential driveway around here is $200. I'm really down-sizing this year, and am going to do about 160 driveways with 2 trucks all in a 3 mile radius. We have swing wing back blades over here, so a residential driveway takes no longer than a minute, so that is one big reason why prices have fallen so much. I would probably lose lawn customers if I didn't plow, so that's really the only thing that keeps me plowing...
At this $200 price point is it driveway only and ZERO getting out of the truck and NO shoveling...?
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