Register free!


Reply
 
Thread Tools   Display Modes
  #31  
Old 11-16-2009, 11:25 AM
Grohorganic's Avatar
Grohorganic Grohorganic is offline
LawnSite Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 157
the stop the burn campaing started a long time ago, say the 1940's.....

now its up to some smart thinkers to introduce fire line's that have been( perish the thought ) logged off. and some of the less old growth thinned( look out for the angry tree hugger) and maybe in some cases the forest lot to be over planted after logging in the first place. but NO some liberal hippies started the no fires and no logging trip and could not see the forest from the trees.

its the neglect over the last few years that has harmed the NATURAL forest to the extent it it is harmed now, fire was and still is a NATURAL part of the cycle of a forest life. stopping the fires that are natural was the first in a long line of bad choices, not in 2002 but way earlier than that!!!
__________________
I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 11-16-2009, 11:29 AM
Grohorganic's Avatar
Grohorganic Grohorganic is offline
LawnSite Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 157
lets take a guess at how many fires this tree has seen????
Attached Images
 
__________________
I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 11-16-2009, 12:23 PM
mdvaden's Avatar
mdvaden mdvaden is offline
LawnSite Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Westside Oregon
Posts: 1,840
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grohorganic View Post
lets take a guess at how many fires this tree has seen????
My guess would be about every 300 to 500 years, because its in an area thats more damp. That's the same redwood as the Nat Geo Oct. 2009 issue's foldout photo.

That particular one does not have much in the way of burn marks presently. But there was fire in the grove for sure. The second photo is not far away from it, and has charred burn marks on its trunk.
Attached Images
   
__________________
200 Pages and Growing

Coast Redwoods . . . Landscaping Portland & Tree Service . . . M. D. Vaden Photography

http://www.lawnsite.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=9938&dateline=1262369890
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 11-16-2009, 05:58 PM
Grohorganic's Avatar
Grohorganic Grohorganic is offline
LawnSite Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 157
so it looks like i healthy forest that burned. lets see some un burned crap, second or third planted stands that are just sh*t
__________________
I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 11-17-2009, 08:29 AM
Smallaxe Smallaxe is offline
LawnSite Fanatic
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Central Wisconsin
Posts: 9,987
Just because a fire starts from 'natural causes', doesn't necessarily mean it is a good thing. Scotpine needs to have its seed scarified with fire, b4 it will germinate. The likely reason is that it will perform well after a fire, but doesn't compete well in a healthy forest.
Scotpine is a weed tree and would not be a desired replacement for old growth forest. It is a quick, natural, ground cover that will hopefully help the, natural, disaster recovery. People are a natural part of the biosphere and should develop a sense of stewardship over the rest of the environment. Unfortunately, we can only work with exploitation or neglect.
Then there are the tree huggers who worship the earth and believe that trees are people too. Do the trees cry out in horror as they burn? They burn because the huggers are too stupid to understand they need to be managed.

University professors turn around and tell them that we must neglect the forests, let them burn, naturally. Neglect the rivers and streams, let them erode the banks naturally. Neglect the lakes and let them fill up with debris , naturally.
Now we are suppose to turn absolute control over to these fools, of anything within 1000 feet of any mudpuddle in Wisco. Never give a sucker an even break. We are the dumbest suckers in the world.
__________________
*
Now that I know that clay's texture(platelets) has nothing to do with water infiltration, percolation, or drainage
,,, I wonder what does...
*
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 11-17-2009, 11:39 AM
ICT Bill ICT Bill is offline
LawnSite Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Howard County MD
Posts: 4,120
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smallaxe View Post
Just because a fire starts from 'natural causes', doesn't necessarily mean it is a good thing. Scotpine needs to have its seed scarified with fire, b4 it will germinate. The likely reason is that it will perform well after a fire, but doesn't compete well in a healthy forest.
Scotpine is a weed tree and would not be a desired replacement for old growth forest. It is a quick, natural, ground cover that will hopefully help the, natural, disaster recovery. People are a natural part of the biosphere and should develop a sense of stewardship over the rest of the environment. Unfortunately, we can only work with exploitation or neglect.
Then there are the tree huggers who worship the earth and believe that trees are people too. Do the trees cry out in horror as they burn? They burn because the huggers are too stupid to understand they need to be managed.

University professors turn around and tell them that we must neglect the forests, let them burn, naturally. Neglect the rivers and streams, let them erode the banks naturally. Neglect the lakes and let them fill up with debris , naturally.
Now we are suppose to turn absolute control over to these fools, of anything within 1000 feet of any mudpuddle in Wisco. Never give a sucker an even break. We are the dumbest suckers in the world.
You need to read some of Alex Shigo's books, it will rock your tree world
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 11-17-2009, 09:07 PM
Smallaxe Smallaxe is offline
LawnSite Fanatic
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Central Wisconsin
Posts: 9,987
Quote:
Originally Posted by ICT Bill View Post
You need to read some of Alex Shigo's books, it will rock your tree world
An Alex Shigo article:
"Remember, you cannot "feed" a tree, wounds do not "heal," roots
do not regenerate, wounds do not "bleed," mycorrhizae are organs, and you cannot
inoculate with organs and finally, wound dressings do not stop decay!
Ignorance of tree biology has been, and still is, the major cause of tree problems..."


After a lot of human vs. tree rhetoric he finishes up with the preceding paragraph. I watch bark grow over gouged trunks, broken or pruned branches and I watch sap dripping from a variety of tree wounds.

I do agree about dissecting trees and understanding anatomy with a chainsaw which I've done for years.
I've only seen the beginning of his philosophy, so its hard to say, but at this point I am unimpressed.
__________________
*
Now that I know that clay's texture(platelets) has nothing to do with water infiltration, percolation, or drainage
,,, I wonder what does...
*
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 11-17-2009, 11:07 PM
ICT Bill ICT Bill is offline
LawnSite Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Howard County MD
Posts: 4,120
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smallaxe View Post
An Alex Shigo article:
"Remember, you cannot "feed" a tree, wounds do not "heal," roots
do not regenerate, wounds do not "bleed," mycorrhizae are organs, and you cannot
inoculate with organs and finally, wound dressings do not stop decay!
Ignorance of tree biology has been, and still is, the major cause of tree problems..."


After a lot of human vs. tree rhetoric he finishes up with the preceding paragraph. I watch bark grow over gouged trunks, broken or pruned branches and I watch sap dripping from a variety of tree wounds.

I do agree about dissecting trees and understanding anatomy with a chainsaw which I've done for years.
I've only seen the beginning of his philosophy, so its hard to say, but at this point I am unimpressed.
I will make sure to inform you when Kevin Smith is speaking in your area, he was very close and has some very profound thoughts about trees

Excellent quote, higher thinking, group thinking, what makes me stronger makes you stronger

I don't know for sure but I don't think trees are political, I will ask one tomorrow while walking the dog
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 02-15-2014, 02:40 AM
mdvaden's Avatar
mdvaden mdvaden is offline
LawnSite Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Westside Oregon
Posts: 1,840
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smallaxe View Post
An Alex Shigo article:
"Remember, you cannot "feed" a tree, wounds do not "heal," roots
do not regenerate, wounds do not "bleed," mycorrhizae are organs, and you cannot
inoculate with organs and finally, wound dressings do not stop decay!
Ignorance of tree biology has been, and still is, the major cause of tree problems..."

This lasagna gardening thing came to mind at least twice this week. Forget what prompted the recall, but I remembered having already started the topic, so easier to build on this one.

In reviewing this thread, the quote above seemed refreshing in light of some tree butchery I saw yesterday. A previous customer requesting help again after having got a "fruit tree expert" in the interim, who apparently was no pruning expert of any kind, and more or less a wood butcher.

...
__________________
200 Pages and Growing

Coast Redwoods . . . Landscaping Portland & Tree Service . . . M. D. Vaden Photography

http://www.lawnsite.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=9938&dateline=1262369890
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1998 - 2012, LawnSite.comô - Moose River Media
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:52 AM.

Page generated in 0.06884 seconds with 10 queries