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Old 11-05-2014, 06:17 PM
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anybody els gonna chime in to help SP & others be more confident with there crack ests?

if you use pour pots (wheeled or not) you quickly get used to how far a pot will go. i find it very easy to count needed pots as i walk the lot. with a plus or minus of about 15%. takes about 10-15 min to empty one. one box fills 3 of my pots.

some coaters do superior work & have very hi bids. $2,000,000 digs on the lake hire them mostly. i think the thought is, if you can convince the customer that your products & workmanship are better than any others, you can charge more for the same job.

others want to stay working everyday so they might lower there bid to do so.

SP, your stuck in between with the rest of us, dont worry so much, only time in the saddle will help you now. the more lots you do, the more ways you see to fine tune your ests.

productivity & efficiency are generally a good place to start.
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:19 AM
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back in the day...the shop would hire repair techs for $8.00 per hr. the shop repair rate was $50. p.hr. there best tech got about 40% of the shop rate (about $20 per billed hr).he was a flat rate tech (frt).
if the honda f/r manual said it should take one hr to rebuild that carb, thats what you charge your customer and pay your f/r techs. $50. chg & $20. too tech, no matter how long it actuly takes for him to do.
new guys would take 2 hr to do the job but since they are paid 2hrs @ $8.00 they dont get beat up.(he is 50% efficient).
the best tech could do it in 1/2 hr. so he gets one hour pay @ $20 per, thats $20. in 1/2 hr. he billed one hour shop time, so shop is very happy too.( he is 200% efficient on that job). he might work 40 hrs & get paid for 60 hrs. and to keep things in check, any come backs that were his fault, he fixed for free.

f/r tech would punch in on one of the 4 top slots on time card (in out). get his first job from mgr & punch in on one of many lower slots. after he fixed the unit he would punch out on a lower slot. get a new job from mgr & punch in,ect.

this made it very easy for us to check......efficiency from time punched in on the job, compaired to f/r book time......and productivity by time in between jobs. f/r techs are far more productive than hourly techs.

as the hourly techs got to be about 75% efficient, we would offer them the oppertuinity to go on a f/r pay scale. most of the good ones went for it.
so i wonder if paying the best workers by the sq ft would increse your bottom line.
and to chang the subject a little.... that most excellent f/r tech i spoke of, had the crappest tool box i ever saw. the skinny guy would put on biggest jerzy, tucked in a little & ride his dirt bike to work looking like a fat man cause he stoped at the drive-in to pick up emptys for a free lunch. so i guess there are many ways to fine tune your day.
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Old 11-08-2014, 08:24 PM
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mabe i need to clarify that $85. crack price is if iam adding it to a coating est. if i drove there just to do cracks only, it would be more. iam a coater so i want the coating job, if i get it, filling SOME cracks fits in smothly with the prep work.
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Old 11-19-2014, 09:44 AM
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sp, your welcome.
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Old 02-01-2015, 10:19 AM
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Buck a foot if sealcoat the lot too, 1.20 if just doing cracks
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Old 06-02-2015, 09:31 PM
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I'm charging $1.10 a foot, with a $75 minimum. Of course this is only when sealing, I have not had a crack only job yet.

Honestly, I actually hate doing cracks. It takes a lot of time, I almost feel I can go out and maybe get another drive in the time it takes to heat up, apply and cool down to load my walk behind melter in my trailer.
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Old 06-03-2015, 01:46 PM
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I always seem to find that ppl don't want to pay for it. They want to negotiate the price. I won't do that. I tell them that's the price for the hot tar. Than I suggest to them try the stuff from home Depot or Lowe's. It doesn't work bit if you're looking to save some money that's your best bet. I hate Crack filling can be very profitable though if you find educated customers.
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Old 06-06-2015, 09:21 AM
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i also hate using hot rubber, but its a must, so make the best of it. its the customers job to pay a pro coater
$50.+ per hour. its the pros job to do the work in a timly manner.
if the drive after this one needs H.R. , u should be heating it now. u dont want to charge 3 hrs for a job that the next guy can do in 2 hrs.(u wanna b guy #2). so u want to charge for 2 hrs as well, then, learn to do it in 1hr & 45 min.
ive never owned a ma 10, if i did a lot of cracks it would be a must, but i try to stay away from cracked up messes. nothing is faster than my shrouded pour pots on the average drive.(so i am at 1hr&45min).
the downside is when i do have a lg lot i must take a extra truck with my kettle. i guess i dont do enough
large lots to warrent a MA10. at my age, i dont see me buying one. (mofos r heavy).
i can give my customers 1 pour pot installed for $50.thats about$12.50 of rubber & 20 min tops. so if your not happy with your time fram, its time for some fine tunning.
i know maken money today is very important, but so is return customers. do your best for them & it will come back to you.
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