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Old 06-19-2014, 12:59 AM
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If you're not going to get a cdl why bother anyway? Without a dump bed I doubt you'll ever haul much more that what a 250 or 350 could handle in the bed and you're limiting yourself to towing trailers that could be pulled by some half tons.
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350 with a contractor bed loaded with tools and pipe is pushing the limits of the truck. Through in a scoop of gravel or a pallet of rock and I'm over weight. Going 450 gives me the extra payload and not having to worry about being over weight.
I wouldn't want to tow 10k with a 1/2 ton...
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Old 06-19-2014, 01:07 AM
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I read that after I posted. I was thinking we were talking about standard pickup beds. I still say get a cdl but California's such a pain I can understand your not wanting to.
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Old 06-19-2014, 01:16 AM
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http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_guide/

Here are the specs on the rams.
I don't want to turn this into another gvw/cdl thread and with so much confusion on the subject it's tough to talk about. The key number is 26,000 if the gvw of your truck is under 26,000 you do not need a cdl. When you add a trailer to the truck your combined gvw (gcvw) becomes the number that needs to be under 26,000. So if your truck gvw is 10,000 your trailer needs to be under 16,000. If your truck is 12,000 your trailer needs to be under 14,000...ect. Most 3500 (1 ton) trucks have a gvw of 14,000 so you'd be limited to a 12,000 trailer to stay out of the cdl range. With that said let's get back to the trucks. As you can see in the link a properly equipped ram 3500 is rated to tow 30,000 which puts you well into the cdl range. Also the 5500 is rated at 29,600 also in the cdl range. To me being in the mountains the 4500/5500 would be worth it for the bigger brakes, stronger frame, and all around a stronger tougher truck. Yea your 3500 can tow 30,000 but can it stop it when you're coming down a steep hill. So in my opinion if you plan to tow over 12,000 you would need a cdl and if you plan to tow heavy I would go with the 4500/5500 truck
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Old 06-19-2014, 06:35 AM
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http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_guide/

Here are the specs on the rams.
I don't want to turn this into another gvw/cdl thread and with so much confusion on the subject it's tough to talk about. The key number is 26,000 if the gvw of your truck is under 26,000 you do not need a cdl. When you add a trailer to the truck your combined gvw (gcvw) becomes the number that needs to be under 26,000. So if your truck gvw is 10,000 your trailer needs to be under 16,000. If your truck is 12,000 your trailer needs to be under 14,000...ect. Most 3500 (1 ton) trucks have a gvw of 14,000 so you'd be limited to a 12,000 trailer to stay out of the cdl range. With that said let's get back to the trucks. As you can see in the link a properly equipped ram 3500 is rated to tow 30,000 which puts you well into the cdl range. Also the 5500 is rated at 29,600 also in the cdl range. To me being in the mountains the 4500/5500 would be worth it for the bigger brakes, stronger frame, and all around a stronger tougher truck. Yea your 3500 can tow 30,000 but can it stop it when you're coming down a steep hill. So in my opinion if you plan to tow over 12,000 you would need a cdl and if you plan to tow heavy I would go with the 4500/5500 truck
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We're not talking about 350/3500s. Yes you are correct. Kind of

If the truck is under 26 and the trailer is under 10 you're fine

But if the truck is a 26k truck and your trailer is 12k you need cdl

But you wouldn't need one with a 14k truck and 12k trailer
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Old 06-19-2014, 07:11 AM
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3500 were mentioned earlier in the post
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Old 06-19-2014, 08:14 PM
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