User Name Password Remember Me

 Thread Tools Display Modes
#21
06-16-2005, 11:01 AM
 NickN LawnSite Bronze Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 1,010
Here's a neat website I found that may help explain things.
http://jersey.uoregon.edu/vlab/Voltage/
#22
06-16-2005, 11:18 AM
 NickN LawnSite Bronze Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 1,010
n2h20,
Use a multimeter.Check the voltage output of the transformer by hooking the negative lead to the negative side of the txformer and the positive to the positive side.Next,check the current by reversing the leads(negative to positive,positive to negative) and setting your meter to measure amps.(Because current flows negative to positive,you must complete the circuit using your multimeter this way.It's the only way to measure current.)Once you have these two readings,use the P=I*E formula to calculate the power(watts).Now,compare that to what the ouput power(watts) of the transformer is labeled as.If it coincides with what the transformer is supposed to be,then the transfomer is ok and you have another problem.(Make sure to disconnect the wires coming from the transformer to the lights while doing this.)
#23
06-22-2005, 10:09 AM
 yz250fpilot LawnSite Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: North Alabama Posts: 168
Like Noel said, check your voltage at the fixture. The voltage rating of the bulb is probably less than the voltage being provided at the fixture.
#24
06-22-2005, 10:37 AM
 yz250fpilot LawnSite Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: North Alabama Posts: 168
Quote:
 Originally Posted by NickN " Why will a larger than necessary transformer reduce the life of the bulbs?......( a 500 watt transformer running only twenty 7 watt bulbs)" The bulb is rated(or made) to withstand a certain amount of voltage,current,and power.If any of these is too high,it will reduce the life of the bulb,because the bulb wasn't designed to withstand the load.
Twenty 7 watt bulbs designed to run at the transformer rated voltage will theoretically operate with a 500 watt transformer as long as they will with a 175 watt transformer with no ill effect. Actually, the 500 watt transformer would probably run cooler.

Not to stray from the subject, but I would actually probably prefer the 500 watt transformer because this would give you the flexability to add more lights at a later time. The 175 watt transformer would already be at 80% of the rated power, and it's a good idea to leave 20% for overhead.

A couple good things to keep in mind are current takes the path of least resistance, and the smaller the load on the circuit (light bulbs in this case) the lower the consumption of power. Twenty 7 watt bulbs = (7 watts)x(20)=140 watts. There might be a tad bit of of heat expelled due to the resistance of the circuit wire, but that would be very negligible regarding the affect on power consumption.

Steve
#25
06-22-2005, 10:58 AM
 yz250fpilot LawnSite Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: North Alabama Posts: 168
Quote:
 Originally Posted by NickN I'm assuming his lights are wired in parallel.In parallel the current increases with each fixture installed(It=I1+I2+I3,etc.,,)(as does resistance) and the voltage remains near the same.(Think two 12 volt batteries in parallel)It helps that I have an electronic engineering degree.
Resistance does not increase in a parallel circuit.
#26
06-22-2005, 07:11 PM
 dvmcmrhp52 LawnSite Platinum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Pa. Posts: 4,209
Quote:
 Originally Posted by yz250fpilot Twenty 7 watt bulbs designed to run at the transformer rated voltage will theoretically operate with a 500 watt transformer as long as they will with a 175 watt transformer with no ill effect. Actually, the 500 watt transformer would probably run cooler. Not to stray from the subject, but I would actually probably prefer the 500 watt transformer because this would give you the flexability to add more lights at a later time. The 175 watt transformer would already be at 80% of the rated power, and it's a good idea to leave 20% for overhead. A couple good things to keep in mind are current takes the path of least resistance, and the smaller the load on the circuit (light bulbs in this case) the lower the consumption of power. Twenty 7 watt bulbs = (7 watts)x(20)=140 watts. There might be a tad bit of of heat expelled due to the resistance of the circuit wire, but that would be very negligible regarding the affect on power consumption. Steve
.

Please explain then, why the manufacturers recomend keeping the wattage rating of the transformer closer to the actual intended usage so as not to decrease bulb life?
#27
06-23-2005, 09:54 AM
 NickN LawnSite Bronze Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 1,010
"Resistance does not increase in a parallel circuit."
You are correct.In a paralllel circuit,the resistance will DECREASE with each resistor installed,and in turn your current will increase.
Don't know what I was thinking.
#28
06-23-2005, 06:19 PM
 dvmcmrhp52 LawnSite Platinum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Pa. Posts: 4,209
By the way...........Good info guys.................
#29
06-27-2005, 12:47 PM
 steveparrott Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,111
Clearing up some confusion

Reading through this thread I see a lot of unnecessary confusion about low voltage. Here's some comments in response to previous posts:

1. There's no minimum lamp load requirement for quality low voltage transformers. A 1500 watt transformer can be run 24/7 powering only a 20 watt lamp. However, if a poor quality transformer is used then the manufacturer may have boosted the voltage at the taps to compensate for the low transformer efficiency; in other words, the 12 volt tap may actually be delivering 14 volts under no load – when it's loaded up with lamp wattage the actual voltage can drop 2 volts to the required 12 volts. All EI type transformers (cheaper types) are low efficiency; torroidal transformers have higher efficiency and will drop only about 0.5 volts under full load. A voltmeter will tell the story by measuring voltage at the fixture.

2. Contrary to one post, the only accurate way to measure amps on a low voltage circuit is with a clamp-on type ampmeter. This can be tested for wire runs by testing one wire at the common or the voltage tap or the entire transformer can be measured at the photocell loop.

3. Contrary to one post, the resistance of the wire is very important to include in calculations since low voltage loses voltage very rapidly according to wire gauge and distance.

4. Keep in mind that when checking voltage at the fixture, you need to have all lamps lit (even at the socket you're testing). If one lamp is out then the voltage reading could be off by as much as 0.5 volts. CAST has pigtails that give you an extra socket at fixtures for testing while the lamp is lit.

 Thread Tools Display Modes Linear Mode

 Posting Rules You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Forum Rules

Layout Style:

Forums

Grand View Media

Dealer Directory