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Old 08-19-2006, 08:02 PM
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Sorry to bust your bubble man, and don't take this wrong way man because I was your age once. I'm 20 now, and I wanted all the landscaping business when I was 16, but it never happened. Focus on mowing, it's the most money you can make for a kid your age. Trust me dude, I've been there. I got into landscaping when the time was right and from there I got into excavation. At 16, the lawn maintenance is a big undertaking, don't try to take on the whole world. There's alot more money to be made in mowing for a kid your age than landscaping. Focus on getting a lawn empire built by buying the right trucks and equipment, don't get yourself spread out buying equipment for multiple divisions when you should just be focusing on one at this point. Do one thing well first, then expand from there. Once you have the lawn maintenance thing hammered down, a good customer base and a steady income, then extend yourself into other lines of service. Right now, you're trying to do it all. What happens if you get into the landscaping market and the demand goes soft? Get the lawn business extremely well structured and steady, then when you're ready to take on a new challenge you can afford to make some mistakes because they will happen, believe me on that. There will come a time where you screw something up or something comes along that is going to cost you out your @$$ and if you don't have that steady income from your lawn customers, you're outta biz bro.

Like I said, I'm not trying to shut you down because that always pissed me off too, people telling me I couldn't do stuff and I ended up proving them wrong, I'm just trying to help you out because I've been through it.
Great advice and I would have to agree with it. I sub out all my landscape/hardscape work to a local guy. He gives me a price discount, I tell the client how I work that side of my business and they agree. I take a small amount home for doing some paper work. I haven't invested a bunch of money into equipment I would use 2-5 times a year and while it depreciates.

Good luck.
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Old 08-19-2006, 08:38 PM
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i don't want to make it so dad has to find another vehicle for himself. Even though he's the one that said we could do that, i know he'd sell himself short and get something he really didn't want to just to save money and i really would feel like a total azz doing that. Its best for both of us if i get a truck
He didn't sell himself short when he (maybe your mom or him and your mom) decided on a $1200 vacuum cleaner!
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Old 08-19-2006, 08:42 PM
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He didn't sell himself short when he (maybe your mom or him and your mom) decided on a $1200 vacuum cleaner!
LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you should have seen the look on his face when he walked in after work, saw it in the living room, and found out how much it cost!!lol, priceless facial expression!
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Old 08-19-2006, 08:44 PM
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By the way, screw getting a dump trailer. You should get a 3/4 since it will be so much more versatile with a dump insert. Can the front end of a suburban handle a plow that well. I don't know much about plowing, but I thought they were hard on the front ends. I also remember someone on here paying like 7K for a 7' X 14' dump trailer. Why not get a $5K truck and $2.5K dump insert? It's nice to be able to throw stuff in a truck bed anyways. I like your idea of getting a 3/4 ton and dump insert, atleast in opposition to getting a suburban.
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Old 08-19-2006, 08:49 PM
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People also said to take the Suburban and sell it, but I would feel bad taking a nice solid vehicle and turning around to sell it. I wasn't expecting you to do that, but I'm just using that as a reason to get a 3/4 ton. How much do you think the size of dump trailer you want would cost? What happened to the red 2500 you posted pics of? I also think a truck would be more professional. You could put some sideboards on a dump insert with your logo.
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Old 08-19-2006, 09:10 PM
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that red truck, i went to look at yesturday, dealer tried to hide all the frame rust with black spray paint so, that's not an option anymore. Ive always wanted the dump insert, the mention of the dump trailer was for only if i got the suburban. Ide get a Downeaster 8ft version w/ tarp roller and cab protector for $2645 installed. Howies lawn care, i totally agree with what you are saying
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Old 08-19-2006, 09:47 PM
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Ok Scag gave his advice and now i will give mine. I am 20. I been around the block.

In this changing world, with the rising gas prices, i would buy the smallest truck that could tow the equipment you have now most efficently! You do not need a 3/4 ton pickup and a $2600 dollor dump insert at 16!!!! Get your supplies delivered!!! I do big hardscape project. All my stuff gets delivered, down to a yard of top soil!!

Once you spend 2600 on a insert, and take into consideration the extra time it takes to pick stuff up, the wear and tear and the truck, and your really bad gas mileage, it makes no sense to pick up your stuff.

If i was you i'd try to find a f150 with the inline 6 engine. They are bulletproof and run for ever. Run the f150 for a couple of years doing just lawns and mulch etc. Once you get out of school buy a bigger truck and than go into hardscaping etc.


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Old 08-19-2006, 11:21 PM
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Oh yeah, totally forgot about the dump insert. Dude you're just trying to take it all on too fast. You'll drop $7K into a truck with a dump insert, that would be a TERRIBLE investment at this point. Most of the landscaping you'd actually be capable of doing at your age wouldn't require a dump insert and if you need materials just have them delivered on the customer's dime. For landscaping, I suggest all you try to do is plant plants, install mulch, plant some trees, maybe do a little stone work, NOTHING MORE right now. If you try to take on too much it's possible you're going to get slapped in the face by a mistake that will cost you money or you're going to realize you're in too deep. Like I said man, not trying to hack you down, you just gotta realize that you're buying all the equipment before the business, I know exactly how that goes, I used to do the same thing. Big dreamin' is fine and good, but just do yourself a favor and kick some @$$ mowing lawns and light landscaping, you gotta get off this landscaping thing it'll ruin you man, there's a lot more to it than you think.
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Old 08-19-2006, 11:46 PM
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landscaping is where the money is, not in lawns, you need to have 120+ lawns that being a resi/comm mix before you can make any decent money off of mowing lawns. having stuff delivered is a royal pita, even when james (other LS member) does it, just because you have to arrange a time to meet and everything like that. SO much easier to do as much as possible yourself. You charge the customer your time and gas to go pick up materials and to take stuff away. I can make money off lawns right now because im too young to be a registered and insured company, but im not going to build up the business in lawns just so when im 18 and paying all the taxes and insurance i have to haul azz to get landscaping jobs to make money to pay for all that and still make actually pay myself.

my next landscape/hardscape job ive got lined up, i could almost buy that tan truck with the amount of money involved and that's after materials cost
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Old 08-19-2006, 11:56 PM
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landscaping is where the money is, not in lawns, you need to have 120+ lawns that being a resi/comm mix before you can make any decent money off of mowing lawns. having stuff delivered is a royal pita, even when james (other LS member) does it, just because you have to arrange a time to meet and everything like that. SO much easier to do as much as possible yourself. You charge the customer your time and gas to go pick up materials and to take stuff away. I can make money off lawns right now because im too young to be a registered and insured company, but im not going to build up the business in lawns just so when im 18 and paying all the taxes and insurance i have to haul azz to get landscaping jobs to make money to pay for all that and still make actually pay myself.
I think that is where you are not seeing the light. Lawns are a weekly income, you will have work to do every week, now and in 3 months. Landscaping isn't. You can make some good money landscaping, but you have to have the expensive equipment to really make out like a bandit (backhoes, large dump trucks, etc etc).

Here is a quote from justmowit about landscaping vs. mowing income:
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I agree to net $200K on 2M sales sounds about right if you are doing landscaping, hardscape, fertilizing etc. , since so much of those gross sales dollars go to materials, managers, supervisors, plants, expensive heavy duty trucks, etc..... That is why large landscape companies have such huge sales figures 5, 6,7, 10 Million annually, but net dollars is only 10 or 11%.

This same math does not apply to companies who only mow, net dollars is about twice that on poorly run operations and 3 times that on well run operations that watch expenses
Gross, money is there. Net, I don't know.......
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