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Old 08-20-2006, 03:26 PM
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Well boys, just got home, i bought the tan truck. Beautiful condition, paid $4500 for it. It drove great, ran great, and everything on it worked perfectly!!!! guy that sold it was really cool too! Can't wait to get it home tomarrow!!!!
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Old 08-20-2006, 05:54 PM
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Well boys, just got home, i bought the tan truck. Beautiful condition, paid $4500 for it. It drove great, ran great, and everything on it worked perfectly!!!! guy that sold it was really cool too! Can't wait to get it home tomarrow!!!!
Good luck with your new truck mike. But if I were you I wouldn't get a dump insert. How often would you going to use it? That is 800lbs of stuff you can't get in your truck. Just go and get a dump trailer. Works like a dream. I use my buddy's 14ft ez-dumper trailer and can get alot of mulch in there and just drop the trailer of at the job site with a couple of guys and you can go do the easy work or even prep another job. A dump insert is great if you are bagging leaves or grass alot of the times, but that is the only thing I could use it for here. But hey it's your money. Good luck with the new truck.
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Old 08-20-2006, 06:33 PM
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Lawn maintenance that doesn't happen, there's NEVER a negative day in the lawn business unless you toast a mower or something disasterous.
Never a negative day? Anytime something breaks it becomes negative. Anytime it rains it becomes negitive, I could keep going on and on. Yes, there is less capital equipment cost in the start up of a lawn care business, yes it has GREAT cash flow, but you will never make the money in it. The money is in full service companys. The cash flow is great with lawns because it finances other aspects of the company and allows you to grow. Mike has the ambition to do this work and works very well, he just helped out on a wall job we did down the street from his house so he could learn the hardscape side of the business. Last year I spent the year building up my mow crew, this year it was my construction crew the money went towards. Yes it can be easier to have materials delivered, but not every yard can cater to you. Mike is not looking to take out loans and do all this crazy stuff, he is paying cash for his equipment and that is the way to go. We try to pay cash for most of out equipment (anything below $10k) so we dont have this small debt. There is no reason you guys should be bashing him for his decisions, hes looking for advice, not to be critisized. He is slowing building an empire IMO. You need to take steps for the future if you want to grow and he is doing it at a young age. Yes he is only doing maintence but someday will be up to the large construction projects, it does take a few years.
Yes, Scag does make many valid points but some are not very valid. You do need to build up a good deal of lawn accounts (which mike is doing just fine right now) to really get the good cash flow into the company. With one maintance account and a yard sign in front of the house, It got me 2 jobs worth $30k, 2 new lawn accounts and 2 new plow accounts.
It took my company a few years to build up the construction part of the company and now I am starting to sign work for next year. We have been booking for a very long time in hardscape and planting projects for this season and there is a good chance I will be working until january this year by the time Im done with this season (not including plowing).
There is money in EVERY aspect of this business, it just depends of how you approach it. I did not want to be just a straight mow and go company, I wanted to offer everything and that is what we do. We have doubled in size every year and I have been trying to slow growth but it just doesnt seem to help. Within the next 2-3 years we will be one of the larger construction and maintance companies in the area. We are constintly complemented on our work, work ethics and out equipment. Mike is doing just fine for his age, better than I was then. It will take time but he is building for the future, not today.
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Old 08-20-2006, 07:49 PM
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Sorry to bust your bubble man, and don't take this wrong way man because I was your age once. I'm 20 now, and I wanted all the landscaping business when I was 16, but it never happened. Focus on mowing, it's the most money you can make for a kid your age. Trust me dude, I've been there. I got into landscaping when the time was right and from there I got into excavation. At 16, the lawn maintenance is a big undertaking, don't try to take on the whole world. There's alot more money to be made in mowing for a kid your age than landscaping. Focus on getting a lawn empire built by buying the right trucks and equipment, don't get yourself spread out buying equipment for multiple divisions when you should just be focusing on one at this point. Do one thing well first, then expand from there. Once you have the lawn maintenance thing hammered down, a good customer base and a steady income, then extend yourself into other lines of service. Right now, you're trying to do it all. What happens if you get into the landscaping market and the demand goes soft? Get the lawn business extremely well structured and steady, then when you're ready to take on a new challenge you can afford to make some mistakes because they will happen, believe me on that. There will come a time where you screw something up or something comes along that is going to cost you out your @$$ and if you don't have that steady income from your lawn customers, you're outta biz bro.

Like I said, I'm not trying to shut you down because that always pissed me off too, people telling me I couldn't do stuff and I ended up proving them wrong, I'm just trying to help you out because I've been through it.
hey scag 48 no one wants to hear your worthless thoughts just answer the d@mn quistion. i bet MCW is saying the same thing in his mind but he got his truck next time do so.
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Old 08-20-2006, 08:04 PM
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just wondering why his comments are useless? they seem very well thought out and he has the experience good and bad to back them up.

scag found out the hard way sadly going big too fast can sink you in other posts and is just simply warning this guy as whats to come possibly.

none the less i think the dump insert is a bad idea,save that money and invest in the dump trailer its better in the long run.
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Old 08-20-2006, 08:09 PM
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im waiting on the dump insert till spring so i can think it over durring the winter and see how business will pan out for next year before i make my final choice between dump insert and dump trailer.
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Old 08-20-2006, 08:15 PM
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i skipped the middle couple pages but any leads on a truck
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Old 08-20-2006, 08:35 PM
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just wondering why his comments are useless? they seem very well thought out and he has the experience good and bad to back them up.

scag found out the hard way sadly going big too fast can sink you in other posts and is just simply warning this guy as whats to come possibly.
Well put. I thought the purpose was to share thoughts and idea. Its up to you if you want to agree or dis-agree. His comments are based on his experience. He gave an honest assessment.
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Old 08-20-2006, 10:34 PM
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Well boys, just got home, i bought the tan truck. Beautiful condition, paid $4500 for it. It drove great, ran great, and everything on it worked perfectly!!!! guy that sold it was really cool too! Can't wait to get it home tomarrow!!!!
106,00 miles. "Unless the vehicle has a remaining factory warranty, all sales are "AS-IS" with no warranty."

Best of luck sport.
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Old 08-20-2006, 10:37 PM
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. Yes, there is less capital equipment cost in the start up of a lawn care business, yes it has GREAT cash flow, but you will never make the money in it.
Never say never.....
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