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Old 10-09-2006, 05:08 PM
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For the MONEY how about a Country Clipper Jazee PRO! Kohler engine Articulating mower deck good warranty!
how much is it?
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Old 10-09-2006, 05:13 PM
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If you dont have much money to spend, I'd buy a WB with the trac vac attachment.
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Old 10-09-2006, 05:31 PM
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If you dont have much money to spend, I'd buy a WB with the trac vac attachment.
already tried to talk my dad and brother into it. not gonna work.
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1989 ford f-250 5.8 *mine*
1984 international dump truck S1900 series
6.5*16 diomandback trailer
exmark lazer Z 52" 23/52 w/ jrco dethacher and trac vac
bunton w/b 11/52
craftsman lt1000 tractor 14.5/42
ford tractor 18hp
john deere trimmer pro series
stihl powerbroom
excaliber 22" hedge trimmer
homlite hand held blower
commercial poulman pro bp blower BP400
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Old 10-09-2006, 07:10 PM
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already tried to talk my dad and brother into it. not gonna work.
then tell them to cough up the cash . I wouldn't touch a ZTR unless i had at least 35-40 customers. Why not wait for a bit, like others have said, get a WB, like the quick 36, or a scag 48", I know a ZTR is appealing, not to mention fun, but it seems you would be getting in a little over your head. keep your current setup until it's on it's last leg, err i mean wheel, then buy new stuff, just make sure you know what ahead of time. save some money up.

is this your landscaping opperation? your fathers? or all three?
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Old 10-09-2006, 07:50 PM
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then tell them to cough up the cash . I wouldn't touch a ZTR unless i had at least 35-40 customers. Why not wait for a bit, like others have said, get a WB, like the quick 36, or a scag 48", I know a ZTR is appealing, not to mention fun, but it seems you would be getting in a little over your head. keep your current setup until it's on it's last leg, err i mean wheel, then buy new stuff, just make sure you know what ahead of time. save some money up.

is this your landscaping opperation? your fathers? or all three?
all three of us but we need to agree on somthing. the thing is ive already tried to say WB they want a ztr. im not sure what to think ide love to get a Q36 but i dont know the bagging on walkbehinds suck big time. i bag alot so i would thing a ztr would be better instead of lifting a 30 pund bagg all the time.
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1984 international dump truck S1900 series
6.5*16 diomandback trailer
exmark lazer Z 52" 23/52 w/ jrco dethacher and trac vac
bunton w/b 11/52
craftsman lt1000 tractor 14.5/42
ford tractor 18hp
john deere trimmer pro series
stihl powerbroom
excaliber 22" hedge trimmer
homlite hand held blower
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Old 10-09-2006, 08:57 PM
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all three of us but we need to agree on somthing. the thing is ive already tried to say WB they want a ztr. im not sure what to think ide love to get a Q36 but i dont know the bagging on walkbehinds suck big time. i bag alot so i would thing a ztr would be better instead of lifting a 30 pund bagg all the time.
they make trac-vacs for WB's a rubermaid barrel with a 5Hp grass pump, it bags really well, i've seen and used them. the one i used shortly was a gravely 48" or so with the tra-vac, and it picked up all the wet leaves you could throw at it.
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Old 10-09-2006, 09:36 PM
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I personally don't understand the fasination that many have with Hustler's FasTrak. Granted I haven't actually operated one, but I have seen one up close (walked around, sat on, and looked under it) and I wasn't impressed. Specificly, here's what didn't impress me:
1. Small drive tires.
2. Small discharge opening.
3. Twin hydrostatic (IZT) not dual path hydro.
4. Honda engine - I realize Honda makes some darn fine engines, but when one compares torque curves, especially to Kawasaki, they've got a ways to go.
5. Deck, despite being fabricated and the lifetime leading edge warranty, looked light and flimsy.

Keeping in mind that I realize it still has "small" tires, in this class of ZTR (Twin IZT, high-end homeowner), I would have to give the nod to Husky's EZ5221 based upon:
1. 21hp Kawasaki with Donaldson filter
2. Not sure but I think the deck is heavier (might be wrong there. It would be nice to get the two machines sitting side-by-side)
3. Slightly faster blade tip speed

All that said, I wouldn't really want anybody's high-end homeowner model with the exception of maybe DC's LT series. With a true dual path hydro, high hp engines, and the same 50" and 60" decks that their big brothers use, they are really more a low-end commercial series. Hence my decision to not compare it to the Hustler nor Husky.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:10 AM
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I disagree that one always gets what one pays for. In life, we often get less, or more, than we expected from a purchase. Some machines prove to be overpriced in relation to their features and quality while others are just the opposite. Besides representing quality, prices also reflect economies of manufacturing scale, managerial competence or its lack, distance from buyer, etc.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:38 AM
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Damn, That thing has to be near the end of it's use full life at that price.

Rob
I think what happens at this time of year, is all the fly-by-nighters jump of the train and start selling because they are losing too much business and can't afford the payment! I had a friend in FL pick up a 1 year old Exmark hydro walkbehind for around 2800 - 3000.00, the guy was desperate to get some cash.
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Old 11-13-2006, 09:05 PM
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To Z or not to Z, is that the question?

I use a Cub Commercial M48KHS as a homeowner who mows four 1-3 acre yards after work or weekends for family members. This mower was removed from the Commercial line but was considered commercial when I bought it. I would like to think my complaints to Cub Cadet helped accomplish this. Though I'm not real thrilled with this machine, I am very aware of the value of the time saved using a Z. The yards I mow are rough, too rough for anything less as far as a Z goes. The frame of this M48 is tough and the pivoting front axle helps when you hit those holes. As far as bagging, I doubt if this Cub or the current 50" Z would be able to fill a bagger without some kind of boost. I think they missed the boat on the design of the 48" stamped deck and doubt if the 50" is better. Instead of raking, I windrow leaves, then back over them. It does a great job of mulching when you keep the rows low enough to back over them. As far as the value of the mower, I didn't save enough on this one to justify the lower quality. Hopefully the full fledged Commercial Cubs are better.
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