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Old 10-09-2009, 08:49 PM
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Perhaps. I don't recall this in the glorious ICPI I took but that was also back in 2005 or practices that I've seen by others. I just don't see that much migration happening. Not saying it can't.
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:30 PM
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Per ICPI, the sides should be wrapped. For me it's just precautionary, and not really that much more in the final invoice.
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:52 PM
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There you have it then. Next time, wrap.
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Old 10-09-2009, 10:20 PM
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Ta each his own, but in the 13.5 years I've been a full fledged, super dooper looper, world renowned hardscaper, we have NEVER "wrapped the sides" of a pavement.

Whether you're doing a 4x4 trash can pad, or a 6500 SF driveway, the pavement's aggregate base should have an aggregate shoulder. Typically there is no pressure bearing down on the shoulder, so I don't see a need to wrap the sides, nor have I experienced any issues pertaining to such.

Man has been building pavements long long long before ICPI was ever dreamed of. Heck, cobble pavements originated long long long before Washington DC was ever created (ICPI's hometown).
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Old 10-09-2009, 11:29 PM
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The only thing I could see is the aggregate moving and causing the border to move therefore loosening the pavers. Then my thought of the area being excavated and therefore contained argues. If it was a driveway with a sharp curve I would see more potential for future issues due to the constant force being pushed out each time a car turns. Here, in this case, I see no issue.

Two things I wonder is the difference of having a company dig and install the base per spec........#2 being pouring concrete and setting the pavers over that vs digging a base. Both of these I only see useful should the backlog be long or in an effort to speed things along because I would show up ready to lay pavers......in theory.
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Old 10-09-2009, 11:53 PM
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Well there it is..........the base. OOOOOOW right?

DVS, much better roller to go with. Had issues with the other one starting this morning and they brought me this one out. They got the other one running but I wasn't letting this one leave
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Old 10-10-2009, 12:10 AM
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I took a few pictures today of this job I posted previously. I'm hoping the homeowner pulls the trigger and allows us to do the planting vs doing it themselves. Otherwise, so much for getting good pictures of the project

No, I don't like the cap. Future will be 2" standard unless the budget is just that tight. I should have pushed it here. Only issue I'll see though is doing curves. To have the supplier manufacture the curve is expensive vs cutting it in place with 1". I can manufacture 2" but its a different process than what I do with 1".
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yep, thats the same roller we used! (till my eyes were opened to go with another rental company with better rates!)
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The only thing I could see is the aggregate moving and causing the border to move therefore loosening the pavers. Then my thought of the area being excavated and therefore contained argues. If it was a driveway with a sharp curve I would see more potential for future issues due to the constant force being pushed out each time a car turns. Here, in this case, I see no issue.

Two things I wonder is the difference of having a company dig and install the base per spec........#2 being pouring concrete and setting the pavers over that vs digging a base. Both of these I only see useful should the backlog be long or in an effort to speed things along because I would show up ready to lay pavers......in theory.


A properly compacted base, with a sufficient shoulder, and fabric used horizontally, isn't going anywhere. Think about a retaining wall, they're vertical. Yet, they're reinforced.....horizontally (geo-grid).

The only benefit to folding fabric up on the sides is to prevent soil and aggregate from intermixing.
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Old 10-13-2009, 06:14 PM
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Todd, can you post some action pics on the best way to move those large stones for the steps? I have the option for doing that in my backyard, and on another job... show me what you use por favor.
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