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Old 10-16-2007, 11:30 AM
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"Nothing bugs me more than seeing a home lit up with all MR16's...or even all PAR's for that matter. It shows a complete lack in design skills in my opinion, or they just wanted to get the job and get out without spending much thought on it."


I couldnt have agreed more here Dave. The Par has it's place in lighting design weather Eden is willing to admit or not.
Why hate the only lamp (that I know of) that was designed for landscape lighting. We should embrace it!!

I still respect you Eddie! We shall agree to disagree here!

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Old 10-16-2007, 12:51 PM
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So does the Par 36 Lamp not work well here? Would this look better with MR lamps?


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Old 10-16-2007, 01:07 PM
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Joey, Joey, Joey, PAR lights were designed for tractors, not landscape lighting.
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Old 10-16-2007, 01:24 PM
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That may have been true in the past but not the lamps we are using today. They are strictly designed for Landscape Lighting.

I'm gonna sick Nate on all of you.............LOL
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Old 10-16-2007, 03:51 PM
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So does the Par 36 Lamp not work well here? Would this look better with MR lamps?


Joey, that is a outstanding picture. I could not achieve that evenness of luminance nor smoothness ever. If that picture is unedited the designer/installer is outstanding. Edited or not it still is a world class job!
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Old 10-16-2007, 04:04 PM
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Thanks Eddie!! Here is whats crazy. This job was done by Glen Nyhuis, one of our North East sales reps. He did this with a demo kit!! Obviously the contractor he assited installed it but Glen did this design and took this photo the night of the demo. Pretty unbelieveable. This is all Par36 35w WFL's in Unique well lights. Mainly F125 BK fixtures w/ no grates. I am sure they installed Apollo's w/ frosted or clear lenses.
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Old 11-20-2007, 05:46 PM
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Nate finally was able to chime in on this topic. He read it months ago and typed it up while on vacation. He finally posted today. Check it out!!

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=207072
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The only bones of contention I read in that post were:

1: Nate says the MR16 was developed for interior track light applications. As far as I am aware, the first and exclusive use of MR16 lamps was with Nightscaping for use in their Landscape Lighting fixtures. Lets not try to re-write history here.

2: Nate thinks that the Ushio MR16 is equivalent and built to the same standard as the GE Constant Colour MR16. I would have to disagree there. I find that the Ushio lamps tend to perform more like an aluminized MR16 rather then a Dichroic MR16. The Ushio mirror surface breaks down with age ( I have one here and the parabolic reflector is completely clear glass, all the reflector has disintegrated) This is not the case with the GE Constant Colour Lamp. The only lamp I have found that comes close to emulating the quality of the GE is the Sylvania Titan series, but they have dropped a large number of the various wattages and beam spreads from their catalog.

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The MR16 lamp was introduced by General Electric in 1975. It was developed in response to a need for a compact low voltage light source with precise optical control. MR stands for "Mirrored Reflector."

At the time, the intended use was for overhead projectors and microfiche readers. However it was soon adopted for use in a myriad of other applications. This was because of the combination of small size, precisely controlled beam, and quality of light.

I did not find any reference to Nightscaping, although Bill Locklin made use of the bulbs long after their developement.
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Old 11-20-2007, 09:31 PM
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I used Nightscaping in 1982 and their primary uplight was the powerlighter which used a LO4414 tractor work light.
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