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Old 09-22-2001, 09:09 PM
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I disagree to some extent... I agree that the cost of living does vary across the nation but not to an extreme that a standard could not be accomplished. I think it should be based on X amount of dollars per 1000 square feet with a set minimum. Then add in for line trimming and degree of difficulty.
How would you enforce this standardized minimum?

The whole principal of Freedom is based on an open market. You know that you do not get "standard" work from all aspects of this business.

Why would you want to standardize a pricing structure? How would you promote your business? What incentive do you have to do better or what enforcement would you use if a company didn't live up to a standard?

I may be misreading your opinion but I do respect it? Please tell me more.

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Old 09-22-2001, 10:08 PM
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How would you enforce this standardized minimum?
I don't know?

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The whole principal of Freedom is based on an open market. You know that you do not get "standard" work from all aspects of this business.
This is true. You have sub-standard, standard and above. I think I do above standard work and try to get the best dollars I can for my work... but when you have 'XYZ Lawn Service' doing standard or maybe substandard work and charging considerably less than you are - 1) it keeps you from getting max. dollars from your client (potetial client) or 2) his customer comes over to get a quote from me and says "I'm only paying this much... thanks anyway".

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How would you promote your business? What incentive do you have to do better or what enforcement would you use if a company didn't live up to a standard?
You'ld promote your business on quality work. The incentive will be that quality work usually results in lots of referrals. Enforcement... Oh I don't know... get a couple of fellow LCOs and take 'em behind the shed

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I may be misreading your opinion but I do respect it? Please tell me more.
Thank you for the respect. I wasn't disrespecting your opinion I was just using it to base my thoughts.

Here's the more you ask for...

I think maybe my immediate market here is ruined. When I walk up to a potential client ($500-$750k home) on 2 acres and quote them $100-$120 and they say "I'll get back to you" or "I'm paying $75-$90... can you do it for that?".

Frustration... This is the reasoning behind my comments.
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Old 09-22-2001, 10:29 PM
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... Why would you want to standardize a pricing structure?
I dont think that its about standardizing a pricing structure but educating other contractors as to what the market will bear so that they are not losing money by cutting $45 accounts for $18/cut.


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How would you promote your business?
I would promote my business by continueing to do business as I do now. The quality of LCOs will not change just as when we drive thru neighborhoods now you can tell who does not do it all, and who puts forth that extra effort to keep their name recognized.


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What incentive do you have to do better?
Company growth.


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What enforcement would you use if a company didn't live up to a standard.
This is something that would be dealt with by the clientele. If we could not meet/exceed their needs they would surely find another who could. Comapnies who couldnt meet the muster, would eventually work themselves out of the market.

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Old 09-22-2001, 10:44 PM
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TSG, how long does it take you to cut that 2 acre property? Some guys here are saying up to 5 acres per hour with their machines, maybe $75-$90 is enough? Of course I don't believe everything I read though.
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Old 09-22-2001, 10:45 PM
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Companies who couldn't meet the muster, would eventually work themselves out of the market.
They would certainly be out quicker if there was more of standard pricing... but because there isn't, people will tolerate substandard work.
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Old 09-22-2001, 10:55 PM
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cantoo,

It costs you more money for bigger and faster mowers... doesn't it?

Did you miss my point...

I think pricing should be based on size (with a minimum) not time...
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Old 09-23-2001, 03:01 AM
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Buy a real fast mower, work real fast, do excellent work, charge as much as you can...........................leave happy.

If you feel good when you leave then you did well, if you feel like you screwed yourself like many of us have and will do again then you learn from it and move on. DO NOT LOWBALL JUST TO GET THE JOB, everyone suffers when you do that. Start high and negotiate if you need to, if they don't want to pay your price then let somebody else do it.

Unless you charge everything by the hour your going to have to make your money by being efficient.

Everybody gave you good info, it's a trial and error business that takes time to learn.
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Old 09-23-2001, 09:20 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TSG
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I disagree to some extent... I agree that the cost of living does vary across the nation but not to an extreme that a standard could not be accomplished.
I'm so sick of reading "what ever you think you are worth per man hour".


TSG

I beg to differ... I know there is a huge diff. in cost of living.

What don't you get about Daves(guido) post? ... Everyones costs of doing business are differant.
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Old 09-23-2001, 09:23 AM
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We went from why nobody gives pricing info to having a discussion on how to standardize pricing and I have to say I'm part responsible so lets continue.

I hope that nobody gets the wrong idea of my pricing so let me tell you that I am high for my area and I have lost plenty of jobs to lowballers. I just lost a huge spraying bid to a lowballer. I refuse to lower my price to get a job.

Did I ever do this? Yes I did, when I first started out I had a very basic idea of what to charge and I did figure my costs, overhead ect. but I wanted to work and took some jobs that I found were not profitable. I had no resource like Lawnsite and I really had no experience in the field. In retrospect my costs were not that great because I started out with homeowner grade equipment for lack of funds and an uncertainty of potential market conditions. When my business expanded because of the quality of my work I borrowed money and became commercial!
I did regret taking those low payers but I learned the hard way and thats why I like coming here. Hopefully some new LCO will read this and learn. If we can educate then we can all make money.

TSG, I completely understand how you feel with a market saturated by lowballers and I am on your side. I do my part in my market to take jobs at MY price and I don't want customers that are looking for the lowest price. My best customers are my core weekly accounts that I have had for many years. I have washed some of them out (the low payers) and now the good remain. I sell many add-ons to them at my price and there is no bickering because they know the work is high quality and the results always reflect that.

In response to that they have been quite gracious and have given me many good referrals that has increased my growth, so you see it is a great upward spiral for me.

I personally have learned that I can take what I have and charge a premium price for it as long as I consistently deliver a service that is deserving of this price.

I will end here and refer you to a thread from Ray Kirby back in 2000. I made a copy of this and use it. There is plenty of discussion about this very topic. It is extremely relevant and I think we can learn from it. Good Luck.

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.p...re+than+others
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Old 09-23-2001, 11:48 AM
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Mow Ed,

Actually we did stay on topic:

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I would think that we all would want our prices to be around the same to make the industry standard high and more professional
Thanks for the feedback.

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What don't you get about Daves(guido) post? ... Everyones costs of doing business are differant.
kris,

You have a used 60" Z, a used pick-up and so on... I have a brand new 60" Z and a brand new pick-up. We both walk up to a job (worth $50) to give an estimate. We both can get it done in the same amount of time and same quality work. Should you charge less money ($10-15) on that account because you are the thrifty shopper?

In this business your income should be based on productivity and quality of work... not how little can you spend and how low can you bid.
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