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Old 10-12-2007, 03:23 PM
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If it is touching the dirt and is in direct contact with soil and moisture it will corrode at some point.

I know that, I was just wondering why baseball bats don't corrode. Also, if I can use the AZT line for mounting to gutters. Better safe than sorry, so I'll stick with copper, brass, bronze.

Okay, after I made my beer run last night, I read through Moyer's section on fixture materials. I am now looking for a platinum fixture with a plastic coating, which will hover an inch above the ground.

On a more serious note, I also read about the salt crystals in the air which are very corrosive to aluminum.

I am convinced I will stay 100% aluminum free. This includes bottles over cans.
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Old 10-12-2007, 03:52 PM
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Smart Move....Let me know whe you find that hovering platinum light!!
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Old 10-12-2007, 04:08 PM
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Smart Move....Let me know whe you find that hovering platinum light!!
I think the smart move here was bottles over cans.... just kidding... Mike you will never regret going with a bettter material... If your ever in question about something and its unproven you can always do what i do... Install it at your house first. All my gear here takes a beating from the dogs... Im NOT careful with it when trimming at my own house because i want to simulate real world conditions...and some of it gets hosed down with the water hose just to make sure its up to snuff.

Hey mike how many baseball bats have you stuck in the ground and left em there ? Just curious maybe we need to conduct an ocean front experiment.

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Old 10-12-2007, 06:28 PM
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Hey guys... I never said that Aluminum was better then brass or copper! I said that when it is not in contact with the soil (as in building mounted) it can be very durable

As for Ontario's marine environments... of course they are fresh water... unless you are way up on Hudson's Bay or something.

As for ideal materials for fixtures... Stainless steel is always a nice choice and Hunza makes some very nice SS fixtures. Nightscaping also makes SS fixtures, you simply have to ask them. They are very good at customization. If you want stainless steel but not the expense of the Hunza line, check out Intense! they have some nice stuff too.

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Old 10-13-2007, 07:43 AM
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I never said that Aluminum was better then brass or copper!

No, but it may be better for selection purposes if it can be used without failure. That's why I asked about above-grade use. However, I have the added problem of marine atmosphere, which is deffinately an issue I forgot about. I believe marine implies salt water.
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Old 10-13-2007, 03:18 PM
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Paul, Can you get the K15498 in AZT I thought it only came textured white?
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I'm sorry, I meant the 15398AZT. Ooopppppssss
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Old 10-13-2007, 03:45 PM
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AVOID ALUMINUM!!! Usually the corrosion starts right around the knucle or where there are any screws. Even from the factory the powder coat can have some imperfections that water always exploits. I know there are "SPACE and AERO GRADE" Aluminums out there but it all corrodes over time.
Joey, I have been installing high quality aluminum fixtures for quite a while and have never found any corrosion on any of them. I mean bullet lights, wash lights, flood lights, down lights, and just about any kind of lights you can think of except well lights. (I would never put any metallic fixture in the ground). I would say that if you stick with a quality manufacturer, you will probably be fine with aluminum fixtures. Of course brass and copper are higher quality, but to say "AVOID ALUMINUM" is going a little far.
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Joey, I have been installing high quality aluminum fixtures for quite a while and have never found any corrosion on any of them. I mean bullet lights, wash lights, flood lights, down lights, and just about any kind of lights you can think of except well lights. (I would never put any metallic fixture in the ground). I would say that if you stick with a quality manufacturer, you will probably be fine with aluminum fixtures. Of course brass and copper are higher quality, but to say "AVOID ALUMINUM" is going a little far.
Now that is what I was talking about. Great Post Paul!

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Old 10-14-2007, 08:42 PM
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to say "AVOID ALUMINUM" is going a little far

Maybe, but I need to clarify that I believe those who are suggesting I avoid it know I'm in a coastal area.

Chris once posted a pic of an aluminum light he removed from a job, I wonder if anyone else can show images?

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Old 10-14-2007, 08:53 PM
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Chris is in a coastal area and installs a lot of Kichler aluminum fixtures. I think that the manufacturer makes a big difference. You can buy cheap aluminum fixtures that are garbage or you can buy quality aluminum fixtures that will last for years on end.
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