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Old 12-24-2007, 02:49 PM
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sounds great but its a tad off topic. He is asking for a par underwater light. Tim is an acomplished lighting technician.

First you stated kichler led underwater now you say they are not for use underwater. Perhaps this info on leds should be in the led thread not the request for a par underwater light.
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Old 12-24-2007, 04:22 PM
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Thanks Mfgrep. I looked at the Kichler LED side by side with the MRs and was not impressed with it. Some may like it and that is fine. It just isn't for me.

Billy, you are right, I do need the punch of Par on the falls on some of those Tuscany pics you probably saw. There is another entryway that will really need. Since it is an entryway and not a house, I need the light levels to be just slightly higher than normal because of all the headlights passing and reflecting as they turn in competing with the ambiant light of the fountains.
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Old 12-24-2007, 04:33 PM
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Tim, are PAR stake-mounts for crosslighting out of the question?
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Old 12-24-2007, 04:37 PM
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Yeah Mike probably. I found a couple of underwaters. An SL-11 made by Focus and some similar looking one from Dabmar. Anyone ever use one of these?

Mike, I am going to place the pars on pedestals so that the bulb just sticks its head out of the water. I am looking at placing them slightly behind where the falls drop in to light the stucco behind and silhoutte the water falling in the basin. I have several other applications for them on the other fountains.
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Old 12-24-2007, 11:15 PM
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the only thing I like from dabmar really is the permapost... I have not seen thier par underwater light but like just about all their products im sure its a copy of something or something someone has copied.

The only issue I have had with fo fo fo focass (yes the reject studder intended) is about 100 of their dl 13 bullets had about the worse crimp connectors you could imagine. Just plain blue butt crimps with the plastic insulator on it. Their BBQ lights and some of their paths I have used have been fine so far.
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Old 12-25-2007, 07:52 PM
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In general the claims of manufacturers regarding color and output have been very bad. I would not ever want to make a claim that I know was not true. I have seen the proformance of the Kichler LED and it is like no other on the market today. I know a contractor that uses them on ever underwater job, because he has found that it performs as stated.

The challenge with any MR-16 or PAR36 fixture in an underwater application regardless of how careful you are when replacing the lamp it never seems to seal properly.
Here is your problem: You are going by what other people say and not by personal experience. Until you have installed a couple thousand of these things for yourself, and you can be assured that they are sound, don't preach to us that they are the best thing since sliced bread! I am a believer in Kichler products, and I do believe that their LED line is the best that the industry has to offer. I get very upset, however, when a rep comes on here and claims that a lamp will last 40,000 hrs when he probably hasn't even been with the company 20,000 hrs!
I'm sorry for my candor, and maybe I've spoken out of turn so I'll go ahead and make my disclaimer. Sometimes I fly off the handle toward people I don't know. I don't know you, but I get the impression that you are quoting statistics. Most LEDs are rated to last upwards of 18-20 years. Have you been around long enough to know if this is true? Hell no! Nothing personal though because no one else has either!
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Old 12-25-2007, 09:33 PM
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Here is your problem: You are going by what other people say and not by personal experience. Until you have installed a couple thousand of these things for yourself, and you can be assured that they are sound, don't preach to us that they are the best thing since sliced bread! I am a believer in Kichler products, and I do believe that their LED line is the best that the industry has to offer. I get very upset, however, when a rep comes on here and claims that a lamp will last 40,000 hrs when he probably hasn't even been with the company 20,000 hrs!
I'm sorry for my candor, and maybe I've spoken out of turn so I'll go ahead and make my disclaimer. Sometimes I fly off the handle toward people I don't know. I don't know you, but I get the impression that you are quoting statistics. Most LEDs are rated to last upwards of 18-20 years. Have you been around long enough to know if this is true? Hell no! Nothing personal though because no one else has either!

Merry Christmas to you too Chris
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Old 12-25-2007, 10:21 PM
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What? Am I being to forward? Sorry.
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Old 12-26-2007, 11:54 AM
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I have had experience with the Focus SL11. The failures I had with them wa the retaner ring not selaing tight enough to the lamp to keep water out. Some have worked out well while others continued to fail. 50/50 chance in my opinion.
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Old 12-26-2007, 04:49 PM
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Joey,
Can you recomend one for me?
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