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Old 12-29-2007, 12:06 PM
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12v Motion Sensor

Has anyone installed one of these??

http://www.beverlyhillselectric.com/rabstl12v.html

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Old 12-29-2007, 05:16 PM
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Yes I have, once and have also installed the Nightscaping LV motion detector on another occasion. Both times against my better judgment and advice... the clients wanted to have their lights activated by motion.

I found both of the units to be very sensitive, almost hair trigger sensitive. In the end both units have been disabled because of all the wildlife we have around here (from squirrels to deer to moose to bears) setting them off at all hours.

That RAB unit looks a bit different then the one I installed, maybe it has been improved.
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Old 12-29-2007, 05:23 PM
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I just checked with RAB. That 12V version is only rated to switch 96 watts. I thought something was fishy when I clicked on that link Joey.

Here is the RAB link:

http://www.rabdesign.ca/PDFs/rdi_sellsheet_stl110.pdf
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Old 12-29-2007, 07:50 PM
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The 96 watts is a turn off but I guess if you wanted to have 1 or 2 lights turn on it wouldnet be so bad. I think I will have to check one out.
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Old 12-29-2007, 08:50 PM
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More connections more stuff more problems.

LV lighting is for a portrait. I just told a prospect that asked about it to pop in a line voltage motion detecting light to flood everything as needed, they way it was meant to be, on a separate system.

I reminded them that the lv system is a great deterent anyways, as is.

What's the point in lv motion detecting? To have animals and thieves appreciate some cool uplighting, building accents, and reflections on ponds? Flood those predators full force!!!

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Old 12-29-2007, 10:08 PM
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Some people want them for their backyards to deter coyotes, deer, and other animals without leaving their lights on all night. Overall I agree with you but it doesnt hurt to know whats out there for the right situation.
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:18 AM
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Sorry Joe, you're right, it's good to know what's out there.
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Old 12-30-2007, 03:08 PM
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All these devices are great if they last.
The problem is that most of these things are made of what you might call "cheap offshore electronics".
Think of the economics of the situation.
None of these items are mainstream and are not sold a ton of.
The price must be palletable in order for it to sell.
The margins are relatively low
What choice is there to use cheap components to keep the cost down.
Cheap components don't last.
Herein lies the problem.

We as contractors are all cost conscious.
Price it too high and we won't buy it as we must mark it up and sell it to our customers and guarantee it to boot.
You read what the distributor said about being abandoned over a $1.50 difference in fixture price. I'm sure this is not uncommon yet we are all looking for a competitive advantage.
Give me a superior product for a better price then my competitor.
We will lie and deceive in order to get it.
Yeah Jimmy distributor I am the best in the biz. I will buy 200K this yr. Then like the man said the two bit liar is no where to be found when the shelves are full and the product is collecting dust.
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Old 12-31-2007, 09:16 AM
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We will lie and deceive in order to get it.
For the record, I think this line above speaks volumes.



Not all of us are willing to lie and deceive in order to gain advantage. Some of us still undestand and respect what INTEGRITY means and stands for.
Message for the day: Pick those whom you associate with, learn from, rely on and do business with very carefully.
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I can see a use for LV motion. A long driveway that may look like a runway when lit all the time, but would benefit from lighting when folks are traveling on it, especially those unfamiliar or in bad weather. Perhaps an area rarely used, but would again be nice of lit when folks were venturing out that way. How about some additional lighting on a walkway that would appear over lit if lighted all the time, but makes it safer and more secure when there is activity.

Joey, I think the idea has great merit, but according to some observations needs some serious fine tuning or research. Perhaps something Unique sees a possible need for. I can think of many advantages for motion sensing lights from a design standpoint, but would need to see proven reliability.

Kirk
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