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Old 01-08-2008, 12:18 AM
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I just confirmed by going out to the garage and checking what I had on hand that the Red Dot switch is only 15 A, not 20 A.

I could swear I used one that was 20 A, but it may be a different brand, because checking HD's website all I could come up with for Red Dot was the 15 A...

So, why would 15 A not be adequate for just a handful of fixtures on say a small overhead arbor?

For instance, four 20 W fixtures would be 80 W.
80 W/ 12 V = 6.67 A, right?

Three fixtures x 20 W would be 5 A.
Five fixtures x 20 W would be 8.34 A.

Or am I doing the math wrong?
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Old 01-08-2008, 12:18 AM
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Eden... i second that motion... oh crap wait.. it was my idea

one issue I see with the switching if not done properly would be the changing of the voltage when you switch lights on or off. Some transformers change considerably when the load changes. If you need a small trans in the area and want to do the switch maybe the kichler 300 double one with 2 transformers at 300w each in the same cabinet ?

How many watts are you planning to place in switchable configuration ? This is also a good key deciding factor in how to go about it. Then... its your duty to confer with the client and see how they would like to be able to use and control the area. Perhaps they even want dimmable so after cooking they can set the mood to eat and have a nice glass of wine by. Sorry to make this all seem difficult but it will only help you exceed your clients expectations.
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Old 01-08-2008, 12:34 AM
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I just confirmed by going out to the garage and checking what I had on hand that the Red Dot switch is only 15 A, not 20 A.

I could swear I used one that was 20 A, but it may be a different brand, because checking HD's website all I could come up with for Red Dot was the 15 A...

So, why would 15 A not be adequate for just a handful of fixtures on say a small overhead arbor?

For instance, four 20 W fixtures would be 80 W.
80 W/ 12 V = 6.67 A, right?

Three fixtures x 20 W would be 5 A.
Five fixtures x 20 W would be 8.34 A.

Or am I doing the math wrong?
Shut up and have a drink!
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Old 01-08-2008, 12:50 AM
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Sheesh. The guy just wanted to have a remote switch for a few lights...

K.I.S.S. has been around for a long time guys, there is a reason why. No need to muddy the waters. If the client wants UPB controls, Dimming, or other upscale additions to the system I am sure the contractor would call in a pro to handle it for him.

Gregg... you have it all right my man, the switch, the connectors, the wiring technique, and even the Red Dot boxes. (I thought they were RAB) You can probably get away with a 15a interior toggle switch but I like to use the Hubble 20A Outdoor / Marine grade as a precaution.
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Old 01-08-2008, 02:17 AM
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Shut up and have a drink!
I like your attitude Chris. Cheers.
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Old 01-08-2008, 02:24 AM
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Gregg... you have it all right my man, the switch, the connectors, the wiring technique, and even the Red Dot boxes. (I thought they were RAB) You can probably get away with a 15a interior toggle switch but I like to use the Hubble 20A Outdoor / Marine grade as a precaution.
Thanks James. Here's a pic of the one I use. Comes with the outdoor switch plate. All for under $5. (Obviously the two pics are not the same scale.)

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Old 01-08-2008, 02:37 AM
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Man do you guys ever get a deal on pricing. I guess that is the benefit of having a market of 320 million people over a market of 32 million. Volume Volume Volume.
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Old 01-08-2008, 09:55 AM
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hey joey, is it possilbe that those envoys come with longer tubes that can be cut to fit so that i can have the amount of drop that i want?
The Envoy comes in a standard length of 22.7". That is form the base to the end of the shroud. Bassicly it is an 18" stem that you can shorten but I would have to look and see if we can do it longer than that. The pic you see that was close up was a shortened stem. Those that are above the BBQ display were the full size versions.
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Old 01-08-2008, 01:27 PM
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Here is the hanging Observer. I knew I had a picture of it in action.



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Old 01-08-2008, 01:38 PM
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Where is that Joey... some kind of patio and BBQ store?
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