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Old 03-15-2008, 07:42 PM
southernsprayguy southernsprayguy is offline
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Southernsprayguy, I have 2 questions. 1) Where is Brandt Consolidated? And what all do they sell (chemicals or fert or both)? 2) On your Rounds 1 & 2 with aquacap or prodiamine, simazine & 2,4 D, is this mixture taking care of your poa annua? If so, what rate are you using the simazine? If not, what are you spraing on the poa annua?

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Archie, I'm using a quart of Simazine, 67 oz Aquacap (2 # a.i.), 1.5 quarts 2,4-D ester and 6 oz of a product called Generation (surfactant)....and it takes care of any poa.

brandtconsolidated.com click on parkway research to get your contact info. I think there is a new rep that covers Mississippi and Alabama. Good luck!
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Old 03-15-2008, 08:34 PM
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Simazine + MSMA will take down most grassy weeds better than either one by itself. A case of 2+2=7. I can kill goosegrass, crabgrass, crowfoot, and smutgrass, all of those are major problems here. This is especially valuable on zoysia, because the normal Sencor + MSMA tank mix will kill zoysia. Bermuda grass tolerates the MSMA + simazine much better as well. There is much less yellowing and dieback. Most MSMA on the market is 6 lb per gallon. So I am usually doing 3 lb/A. I will really miss MSMA when the EPA pulls it. Drive and Dismiss are illegal in Hawaii, so my options are limited. There is no real winter here, so preemergents will only stop future generations of weeds. Also, don't know if it a soil or climate issue, but the grasses here do not tolerate herbicides such as Dimension, Pre-M or Barricade very well. The root pruning effect damages the lawn and actually opens up the turf to weed invasion.
I don't know much about the growing zone in Hawaii, but there is never a time (except an oddball spotspray) when I would mix Simazine and MSMA. In the South, they are just not needed at the same time, for the most part. Spraying MSMA in the fall, winter, and spring, when the Simazine is being applied, is a waste of time.
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Old 03-15-2008, 09:08 PM
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Archie, I'm using a quart of Simazine, 67 oz Aquacap (2 # a.i.), 1.5 quarts 2,4-D ester and 6 oz of a product called Generation (surfactant)....and it takes care of any poa.

brandtconsolidated.com click on parkway research to get your contact info. I think there is a new rep that covers Mississippi and Alabama. Good luck!
SSGuy Thanks for the information. Do quit using the 2,4-D Ester after it gets 70 degrees? The one quart of Simazine per acre is knocking out the poa. We have seen a sh*t load of poa in the last 7-10 days down here. Also, I have been using Top Surf (surfactant) from Pro Source. Who sales Generation? I am paying about $8.50 gallon for Top Surf. One last question, on my 2nd round we add a sprayable fertilizer. Do you put fert in your 2nd round if not, will your mix here be ok to add a fert?

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Archie
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Old 03-16-2008, 05:40 AM
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I don't know much about the growing zone in Hawaii, but there is never a time (except an oddball spotspray) when I would mix Simazine and MSMA. In the South, they are just not needed at the same time, for the most part. Spraying MSMA in the fall, winter, and spring, when the Simazine is being applied, is a waste of time.
Simazine acts like a synergist for the MSMA on weeds such as smutgrass, dallisgrass and goosegrass. Bermuda tolerates this mix much better than Sencor and this is what can be done on zoysia. I rather not stock Acclaim and Turflon for use in zoysia because those two herbicides must never be used on any other grass grown in Hawaii. There is no growing season here in Hawaii. The weather is like late spring from January to April and it is summer from May to December. There is no fall or winter here.
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Old 03-16-2008, 09:37 PM
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SSGuy Thanks for the information. Do quit using the 2,4-D Ester after it gets 70 degrees? The one quart of Simazine per acre is knocking out the poa. We have seen a sh*t load of poa in the last 7-10 days down here. Also, I have been using Top Surf (surfactant) from Pro Source. Who sales Generation? I am paying about $8.50 gallon for Top Surf. One last question, on my 2nd round we add a sprayable fertilizer. Do you put fert in your 2nd round if not, will your mix here be ok to add a fert?

Thanks for your input!

Archie
Where in Bama are you? Yes switch to 2,4-D Amine when temps get above and stay above 70 degrees. Generation is sold by Brandt. It's a lot more expensive per gallon but your rates are a lot lower 4-6 oz per 100 gallon of spray solution. I'm not on my round 2 app yet. Yes I use almost all liquid fert depending on the situation. Iron, Urea, and liquid Nitroform. See ya!
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Old 03-16-2008, 09:52 PM
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Where in Bama are you? Yes switch to 2,4-D Amine when temps get above and stay above 70 degrees. Generation is sold by Brandt. It's a lot more expensive per gallon but your rates are a lot lower 4-6 oz per 100 gallon of spray solution. I'm not on my round 2 app yet. Yes I use almost all liquid fert depending on the situation. Iron, Urea, and liquid Nitroform. See ya!
I am in the Mobile area. I have always used 2,4-D Amine. I have heard some horror stories on Ester being so volatile. I am going to get in touch with Brandt this week. I have been checking on my fert for round 3 and it is anywhere from $15-$22 a bag down here. How about your area?

Thanks for all your input. There are not many of us on here from the south, so it is always good to share info with someone from your area.
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Old 03-17-2008, 12:48 PM
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I am in the Mobile area. I have always used 2,4-D Amine. I have heard some horror stories on Ester being so volatile. I am going to get in touch with Brandt this week. I have been checking on my fert for round 3 and it is anywhere from $15-$22 a bag down here. How about your area?

Thanks for all your input. There are not many of us on here from the south, so it is always good to share info with someone from your area.
You said you were buying from Prosource..right? Is Bruce Brackin down there still. As far south as you are, I would stick with the Amine or use Speedzone Southern in the winter and switch to Trimec Southern in the summer. Do you ever compete against Southern Turf Care, Kutters, Landscape Workshop, or Get a Grip? I know one of the last indepently owned TGCL is in Mobile.
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Old 08-30-2008, 01:35 AM
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controlling henbit

I am in northern Mississippi. I am looking to control Henbit before it takes me over again this winter. I have a good base of bermuda grass. Am I correct and understanding that Simazine in the Fall will do the trick?
Say November??
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Old 08-30-2008, 11:20 PM
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You can apply a preemerge now like prodiamine or pendimethalin. If you wait until early winter, use simazine and a 3-way type herbicide or metsulfuron.
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