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Old 07-16-2008, 06:08 AM
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Gravel Rat condemning an idea is as strong an endorsement for the plan as anything said by others so far... if he thinks it's bad, it's got to be good!
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Old 07-16-2008, 10:27 AM
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Gravel Rat condemning an idea is as strong an endorsement for the plan as anything said by others so far... if he thinks it's bad, it's got to be good!
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Old 07-16-2008, 01:30 PM
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I want to know who thinks a R model is better than a CH. We had 6 new CH's over the years, along with 4 R's, one superliner, and one B model. The CH is a much better truck. The one you posted is set up right for a tandem. I am not crazy about the 18 speed, but it is a used truck. Cammelbacks are tough, but you will find out that they are good for a tandem. No air bags to dump, or issues spreading material. I don't know any tandem that is knowen for a smooth ride. We did have several isssues with our 1999 that had the E-7, so you may want to ask about that. But otherwise it looks like a good truck. And mack parts are no higher than any other. My friend has a pete, and they are also expensive. Big bucks for big trucks! Anf the mack is a easy truck to work on. I have turned wrenches on all of them, and for the most part mack trucks are easy to work on. As far as brake parts, what is GR talking about? Shoes are available through napa, along with chambers, which are the most common relaced parts. S cams, slack adjusters, and cam bushings will need to be mack, but they will easly last 6-8 hundred thousand miles if greased. Want more info just ask....that is a good price on the truck!
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Old 07-16-2008, 03:52 PM
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Go ahead and buy the Mack but trust me your not going to really like the truck. Mack is more common on the East Coast and now that Volvo has taken over Mack the dealers are not really interested in the older trucks anymore.

I would rather have a Kenworth T-800 with 3406E or N-14 power with 20 front 46 rears on Hendrickson ext leaf 18spd it would run circles around any Mack.

Where we take a gravel truck your borderline dragging the truck up the road with a machine. Or backing down trucks into sites where touching the brakes does nothing the excavator has to push on the box to stop you from sliding you don't even need to tip the box just let go of the tailgate the material slides out. To get back out you need to be pushed back up the driveway.

Places the driveways are only 10 feet wide backing down you have one shot to make it drop a steer tire over the edge your upside down.

One place I was working on backing the gravel truck along side a deep excavation couldn't see the edge only had inches to play with on the passenger side of the truck. Roll the truck into a 20 foot deep hole wouldn't be good. The driverside of the truck I had a 6 foot deep hole had 12 inches to play with and 6 inches on the driveside.

If you have a truck that don't steer good it is frustrating as h*ll because your constantly adjusting to back into a spot.

Now that the B.C. CVSE changed the laws we need to run 445/65R22.5 rubber for steer tires if we want a 20,000lb front axle rating. Guess what those freaking tires are 2000 dollars each and they will only last 8 months.

The 425/65R22.5 where fine for 16 years for a 20,000lb rating to run the 445s means new wheels and more money. You need minimum 18,000lb steer axle rating for a gravel truck here to haul 15 ton legally.

So to reshod a tandem axle gravel truck now with recapped rubber drives and 445 steers your looking at 8000 dollars.

Anyhow if you want a Mack go ahead and buy a Mack.

Macks sell cheap because not many people want them or they don't on the West Coast. The new Mack Granites are not a big seller because they are having lots of problems with them. Kenworth and Sterling still dominate the new dump truck market.

This is what is in demand here in B.C. so you pay a price for it. Kenworth holds their value. Kenworth also has been bush proven as logging trucks for the last 40 years.

http://www.heavytruck.canadatrader.c...2&pgno=2&srt=1

I do find it funny that you guys think I don't know about trucks I have been around them for years. Everybody I know has the same opinion on a Mack the first comment is why do you want to stare at a dogs ---- all day long.
My mechanic friends I work with all have the same comments working on Mack trucks. One mechanic that has 30 years experience says Macks are the worst to work on.

Maybe on the East Coast you guys don't know what real power is Mack has always been gutless powered trucks unless they are Cat or Cummins power. Mack cabs rot right off the frame being a steel cab worse than the Fords or International. The Cabs are bare bones basic. The camel back suspension is prone to problems and when it comes to fixing it your looking at big bucks.

A truck like this one I would buy put a gravel box on it and its ready to go

http://www.heavytruck.canadatrader.c...8&pgno=2&srt=1

Good Luck on what ever you choose.

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Old 07-16-2008, 08:30 PM
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Macks sell cheap because not many people want them or they don't on the West Coast. The new Mack Granites are not a big seller because they are having lots of problems with them. Kenworth and Sterling still dominate the new dump truck market.
Two of the larger outfits in the Seattle area, Miles Sand & Gravel and Scarsella Construction, each use several newer Mack Granite dump trucks. Never have seen one broken down or being towed.
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Old 07-16-2008, 09:26 PM
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I want to know who thinks a R model is better than a CH. We had 6 new CH's over the years, along with 4 R's, one superliner, and one B model. The CH is a much better truck. The one you posted is set up right for a tandem. I am not crazy about the 18 speed, but it is a used truck. Cammelbacks are tough, but you will find out that they are good for a tandem. No air bags to dump, or issues spreading material. I don't know any tandem that is knowen for a smooth ride. We did have several isssues with our 1999 that had the E-7, so you may want to ask about that. But otherwise it looks like a good truck. And mack parts are no higher than any other. My friend has a pete, and they are also expensive. Big bucks for big trucks! Anf the mack is a easy truck to work on. I have turned wrenches on all of them, and for the most part mack trucks are easy to work on. As far as brake parts, what is GR talking about? Shoes are available through napa, along with chambers, which are the most common relaced parts. S cams, slack adjusters, and cam bushings will need to be mack, but they will easly last 6-8 hundred thousand miles if greased. Want more info just ask....that is a good price on the truck!
What specific problems did your 99 have? I planning on going to the bank tommorrow.
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Go ahead and buy the Mack but trust me your not going to really like the truck. Mack is more common on the East Coast and now that Volvo has taken over Mack the dealers are not really interested in the older trucks anymore.

I would rather have a Kenworth T-800 with 3406E or N-14 power with 20 front 46 rears on Hendrickson ext leaf 18spd it would run circles around any Mack.

Where we take a gravel truck your borderline dragging the truck up the road with a machine. Or backing down trucks into sites where touching the brakes does nothing the excavator has to push on the box to stop you from sliding you don't even need to tip the box just let go of the tailgate the material slides out. To get back out you need to be pushed back up the driveway.



Places the driveways are only 10 feet wide backing down you have one shot to make it drop a steer tire over the edge your upside down.

One place I was working on backing the gravel truck along side a deep excavation couldn't see the edge only had inches to play with on the passenger side of the truck. Roll the truck into a 20 foot deep hole wouldn't be good. The driverside of the truck I had a 6 foot deep hole had 12 inches to play with and 6 inches on the driveside.

If you have a truck that don't steer good it is frustrating as h*ll because your constantly adjusting to back into a spot.

Now that the B.C. CVSE changed the laws we need to run 445/65R22.5 rubber for steer tires if we want a 20,000lb front axle rating. Guess what those freaking tires are 2000 dollars each and they will only last 8 months.

The 425/65R22.5 where fine for 16 years for a 20,000lb rating to run the 445s means new wheels and more money. You need minimum 18,000lb steer axle rating for a gravel truck here to haul 15 ton legally.

So to reshod a tandem axle gravel truck now with recapped rubber drives and 445 steers your looking at 8000 dollars.

Anyhow if you want a Mack go ahead and buy a Mack.

Macks sell cheap because not many people want them or they don't on the West Coast. The new Mack Granites are not a big seller because they are having lots of problems with them. Kenworth and Sterling still dominate the new dump truck market.

This is what is in demand here in B.C. so you pay a price for it. Kenworth holds their value. Kenworth also has been bush proven as logging trucks for the last 40 years.

http://www.heavytruck.canadatrader.c...2&pgno=2&srt=1

I do find it funny that you guys think I don't know about trucks I have been around them for years. Everybody I know has the same opinion on a Mack the first comment is why do you want to stare at a dogs ---- all day long.
My mechanic friends I work with all have the same comments working on Mack trucks. One mechanic that has 30 years experience says Macks are the worst to work on.

Maybe on the East Coast you guys don't know what real power is Mack has always been gutless powered trucks unless they are Cat or Cummins power. Mack cabs rot right off the frame being a steel cab worse than the Fords or International. The Cabs are bare bones basic. The camel back suspension is prone to problems and when it comes to fixing it your looking at big bucks.

A truck like this one I would buy put a gravel box on it and its ready to go

http://www.heavytruck.canadatrader.c...8&pgno=2&srt=1

Good Luck on what ever you choose.

I would not have likely chosen a Mack if I was to build the perfect dream truck. Only because I have no experience with them. It comes down to dollars. This truck has the right bed, the right specs, the right miles and I think the right price.
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Old 07-16-2008, 10:16 PM
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Here you Go !!!!!

Just thought i would show you a real dumptruck!!!!!!!

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Old 07-16-2008, 10:31 PM
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She's a beauty Constructo. One of the trucks I have been tracking ( and want to buy ) is an old dodge power wagon around that year. I phone the owner ( one owner truck ) at least once a year and chat......origional paint, flawless condition and I love the name....the Blue Goose....
As far as the Mack truck goes at $35k, 6%, 0 down, your payments on a 5 year note are $676.65.
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:38 PM
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GR: Everything you have been around for years you have the same opinion of it!

Examples...

Excavation: "I been around it for years. Contractors are taking any work they get just to make the ten thousand dollar equipment payments and then diesel is 6 canucks a gallon I tell you what all them dumb sumb1tches should just work for the government or the whole western side of canada is going to go out of business and we'll all have to move to vancouver and smoke out with that dude from the barenakedlaides......"

Trucks: "Trucks cost too much, and then there's tires. Why, with inflation, tires will cost you over a million dollars if you are in trucking long enough and get enough flats. Back in 'Nam, I used to have to dodge Charlie while backing my 20 ton gravel truck into a rice paddy; land mines on all four sides. Had to be airlifted in and then there was only 2 centimeters of clearance. I used the force, though, and Obi Wan guided me right in there....."

The Economy: "All these rich people that bought houses are now dumber than sh1t cause nobody can afford to finish them and all this land is bought up and then how can I live on 2000 a month without any wife or kids to supplement my income while I am living at home in a tent in my folks back yard. It's lucky Canada is socialist state or I couldn't get my teeth cleaned and all them free psychiatrist visits to discuss this recurring dream I have about the sjy falling down on me like wet blanket and then there's no trees and no gravel and no jobs and then I wake up......"

Yes, I am enjoying myself, but I have to get some work done...
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