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Old 07-16-2008, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SiteSolutions View Post
GR: Everything you have been around for years you have the same opinion of it!


Excavation: "I been around it for years. Contractors are taking any work they get just to make the ten thousand dollar equipment payments and then diesel is 6 canucks a gallon I tell you what all them dumb sumb1tches should just work for the government or the whole western side of canada is going to go out of business and we'll all have to move to vancouver and smoke out with that dude from the barenakedlaides......"

Trucks: "Trucks cost too much, and then there's tires. Why, with inflation, tires will cost you over a million dollars if you are in trucking long enough and get enough flats. Back in 'Nam, I used to have to dodge Charlie while backing my 20 ton gravel truck into a rice paddy; land mines on all four sides. Had to be airlifted in and then there was only 2 centimeters of clearance. I used the force, though, and Obi Wan guided me right in there....."

The Economy: "All these rich people that bought houses are now dumber than sh1t cause nobody can afford to finish them and all this land is bought up and then how can I live on 2000 a month without any wife or kids to supplement my income while I am living at home in a tent in my folks back yard. It's lucky Canada is socialist state or I couldn't get my teeth cleaned and all them free psychiatrist visits to discuss this recurring dream I have about the sjy falling down on me like wet blanket and then there's no trees and no gravel and no jobs and then I wake up......"

Yes, I am enjoying myself, but I have to get some work done...
I am glad you took ten to deliver that gem. The driven truck part in the 'Nam was priceless. You could change your handle and would be indistingushable from GR.
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Old 07-16-2008, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by hosejockey2002 View Post
Two of the larger outfits in the Seattle area, Miles Sand & Gravel and Scarsella Construction, each use several newer Mack Granite dump trucks. Never have seen one broken down or being towed.
Scarsella does have an @$$ load of those Macks, both in tractor and triaxle form. They have quite the Mack fleet and they run the piss out of those trucks.

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Old 07-17-2008, 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Gravel Rat View Post
Go ahead and buy the Mack but trust me your not going to really like the truck. Mack is more common on the East Coast and now that Volvo has taken over Mack the dealers are not really interested in the older trucks anymore.

I would rather have a Kenworth T-800 with 3406E or N-14 power with 20 front 46 rears on Hendrickson ext leaf 18spd it would run circles around any Mack.

Where we take a gravel truck your borderline dragging the truck up the road with a machine. Or backing down trucks into sites where touching the brakes does nothing the excavator has to push on the box to stop you from sliding you don't even need to tip the box just let go of the tailgate the material slides out. To get back out you need to be pushed back up the driveway.

Places the driveways are only 10 feet wide backing down you have one shot to make it drop a steer tire over the edge your upside down.

One place I was working on backing the gravel truck along side a deep excavation couldn't see the edge only had inches to play with on the passenger side of the truck. Roll the truck into a 20 foot deep hole wouldn't be good. The driverside of the truck I had a 6 foot deep hole had 12 inches to play with and 6 inches on the driveside.

If you have a truck that don't steer good it is frustrating as h*ll because your constantly adjusting to back into a spot.

Now that the B.C. CVSE changed the laws we need to run 445/65R22.5 rubber for steer tires if we want a 20,000lb front axle rating. Guess what those freaking tires are 2000 dollars each and they will only last 8 months.

The 425/65R22.5 where fine for 16 years for a 20,000lb rating to run the 445s means new wheels and more money. You need minimum 18,000lb steer axle rating for a gravel truck here to haul 15 ton legally.

So to reshod a tandem axle gravel truck now with recapped rubber drives and 445 steers your looking at 8000 dollars.

Anyhow if you want a Mack go ahead and buy a Mack.

Macks sell cheap because not many people want them or they don't on the West Coast. The new Mack Granites are not a big seller because they are having lots of problems with them. Kenworth and Sterling still dominate the new dump truck market.

This is what is in demand here in B.C. so you pay a price for it. Kenworth holds their value. Kenworth also has been bush proven as logging trucks for the last 40 years.


I do find it funny that you guys think I don't know about trucks I have been around them for years. Everybody I know has the same opinion on a Mack the first comment is why do you want to stare at a dogs ---- all day long.
My mechanic friends I work with all have the same comments working on Mack trucks. One mechanic that has 30 years experience says Macks are the worst to work on.

Maybe on the East Coast you guys don't know what real power is Mack has always been gutless powered trucks unless they are Cat or Cummins power. Mack cabs rot right off the frame being a steel cab worse than the Fords or International. The Cabs are bare bones basic. The camel back suspension is prone to problems and when it comes to fixing it your looking at big bucks.

A truck like this one I would buy put a gravel box on it and its ready to go


Good Luck on what ever you choose.

GR, you can have your junk alum cab trucks any day. That way at 6-7 hundred thousand miles, the cab is soo loose that the rattles will drive you nuts. Mack cabs have always been bigger, and have more room than a freightliner, pete, or KW. And a mack is gutless? Just let me know who rates HP at the wheels and who rates it at the flywheel. The mack he is looking at is 487hp at the wheels. Just try to turn your cat up to 550 at the flywheel to keep up and let me know when the bottom end comes apart. The cats will not last at this hp, has been proven over and over. A 3406 will only last 5-6 hundred thousand at that hp. And where do you buy tire at? Supersingles for the front are $7-8 hunded each, and drives are in the $300 area. I could almost get 2 sets for $8000! My family has been in the dumptruck business for 26 years, only hauling localy and to job sites 5 days a week. We had macks, a pete, a couple internationals, and a freightliner. Mack trucks will off road and lug better than any of the above. They run big straight trucks in my area, grosing 130,000LB, on 5 axles. 95% of them are macks with the 460 and 18 speeds. You better go and tell them they are gutless!
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Old 07-17-2008, 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ksss View Post
What specific problems did your 99 have? I planning on going to the bank tommorrow.
Well the first time a plug in the head backed off, and caused a bunch of water to end up in the oil. The plug was not installed correctly at the factory. The second problem was a major fuel leak at the pump, and can not remember what caused that. The third was computer related, and caused the truck to not idle correctly. But that was all at less than 50,000 miles. Was good to go after that. You will not regret a mack. Trust me, I have been arround all of them. Only people who cry about a mack is the mechanics that do not have the skills to pay the bills. Anyone can work on a cummins.I always though a pete or KW was a cadilac, but after driving them and working on them I think otherwise.
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Old 07-17-2008, 04:45 AM
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Like I said good luck with the Mack it will be a upgrade from the Internationals you have.

The Kenworth transfer trucks haul 41 tons of material gross just under 140,000lbs. A tandem axle dump pulling a quad axle transfer or a tridrive pulling a quad axle transfer. Trucks run C-15 Cats 18spds they pull our 10% grade no sissy hills you have east.

On the current market a Mack Granite tandem axle dump sells new for 140,000 a Kenworth T-800 Dump sells for 150-155,000 with C-15 power 550hp.

Even at 120 dollars per hour with a tandem axle dump its still a non profit operation running a dump. Tires are not getting any cheaper the fuel definatly isn't getting any cheaper.

Like I said 11R22.5 recapped drives are 450-500 each a set of 425 Supersingle steers are 1200 each.

When you own a dump you need to beable to do most of the repairs like welding the box together to changing tires. Better buy a decent compressor and a 1 inch impact gun because tire changes are common occurance.

You also hope the 18spd is a "Fuller Roadranger" if its a Mack 18spd get used to can't find it grind it.

Truck says it has 44,000lb axles I wonder if they are Mack axles. The old Mack 38s were tough rear ends being a toploader diff.

The 14,000lb front axle isn't quite heavy enough or it isn't for B.C. use. Lift axles are not legal in B.C. so I don't know much about them and what they can carry.

Most tandem dumps here are licensed for 26,100kgs or 57,540lbs. Allowed 37,400lbs on the drives and 20,000lbs on the steer axle. A 15 ton load is legal but most trucks are slightly overweight.

The Mack E7 which that truck your looking at is powered with is only a 12 litre engine so your really only one step above a L-10 Cummins. the truck has about the same power as a MB4000 Mercedes 450hp. Okay but with a heavy load she is sucking a hind .

You will learn alot about Macks and wishing you bought a Kenworth

There is a reason why that 99 Mack is only selling for 39,000.
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Old 07-17-2008, 09:52 AM
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GR........s.o.s. different day
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Old 07-17-2008, 12:41 PM
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I was thinking about it that truck wasn't spec'ed as a gravel truck it must have been originally speced for a logging truck.

One thing to think about is to carry a 15 ton load that lift axle will have to be down to stay legally loaded on the front axle.
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Old 07-17-2008, 02:14 PM
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Gravel Rat, you should come down here to Alabama... the weight laws are killing you up there, I don't see how anyone can make a living like that. I got 26.5 tons of pug mix last night, all in one truck, a tandem with helper axle, what we call a "tri-axle" dump truck (although if you count the steer axle there's really four axles.) He might have been on the weight limit, which is 80,000 pounds gross for a tri-axle.

Plus the winters are slightly milder than up there.

Plus housing is cheap.
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Old 07-17-2008, 03:06 PM
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Its all about brakes you can't get enough stopping power. A tandem axle dump loaded up to 15 ton is just enough brakes to stop it.

What you guys don't have in the Eastern and Southern States is 10% down grades that can roast your brakes in seconds. Decend a steep highway grade too fast are you writing your will. I guess you guys don't know what its like dropping 4 gears to decend a 10% grade without a JAKE.

We don't have triaxle dumps but have tridrive dumps which is 3 drive axles they are good for a 73,000lb gross weight or about 22-25 tons of material.

If you want to haul weight then you need a tandem axle dump with a quad axle transfer box. Like I said you can haul 41 tons of material. A transfer set up can go anywhere because you can leave the transfer trailer box on the side of the road pull the transfer box into the truck box head down a driveway.

Lift axles will not survive the curvy roads in B.C. if you want heavier steer axle capacity then you need to buy a tandem tandem. A tandem steer truck is good for 77,000lb gvw. You have two 20,000lb steer axles with 5000 dollars worth of steer tires pealing off.

The tridrive gravel trucks on a hot road will leave tire marks on the curves in the road that look like a brake stand has been done with a hot rod car. A tridrive dump eats drive tires every 3 months if they are hauling lots in hot weather.

That Mack that Kaiser is looking at wouldn't be legal in B.C. to haul any weight because the front axle gvw is way too light. You would have to run 425/65R22.5 supersingle steer tires to be legal. If that truck is only running 11R22.5 tires for steers thats only good for 12,000lbs. You can get 22.5 rubber that can carry the wieght but it doesn't have the width.

The CH series Mack is essentially the replacement for the RW model that used to be commonly powered with the monster Mack V8 (500hp).

Gravel trucks are paid by the hour in areas like where I'am it doesn't matter if its hauling 5 ton to 15 ton a tandem is paid 120 dollars per hour a tandem. Some of the developement sites have had hundreds of dump truck loads of material hauled.

If I was in the market for a dump it would be one like this Ford

That truck will go into places that most other trucks can't. The Ford L9000s climb out of some nasty spots because the way the trucks are set up.
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Old 07-17-2008, 06:48 PM
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GR you need to change your ID on here to Gravel Tucks !!!!!!!
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