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Old 12-14-2008, 07:45 PM
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This is hogwash. there is no problem with using Z's on smaller areas...as long as they are using care in not scuffing turf on turns (most common cause of damage with Z's). These irrigation heads are the same heads that are used on smaller AND/OR wider areas. If any mower damage is occurring, it is because these heads are either improperly installed, or are cheap heads that don't retract all the way because of weak springs. Take this advice from someone who has been in the maintenance AND irrigation business since 1983. I've seen this LITERALLY dozens of times with cheaper lower line heads that do one or more of these things previously mentioned. Some heads in fact, are even constructed of cheaper, thinner, brittle plastic. Are these of yours heads mister, impact, or gear drive heads? Do they retract ALL THE WAY down into the ground when they shut down? Are they mounted on flex pipe? I see great amounts of "sub-standard" work done by other irrigation companies all the time. In all irrigation heads that are properly installed, the chances of any breakage are an EXTREME minimal. The only ones I really see break - are the ones that aren't buried all the way (sometimes they heave up out of the ground from frosts and thaws), and the ones that do not retract all the way. Even the pressure of a ztr TURNING on a head shouldn't hurt it. Bottom line is, you almost have to purposely try to destroy these heads if they are properly placed in the ground and working properly to break them.
as far as the comment of getting their lazy rears off their ztr's, in business, it usually just doesn't work that way. You take our company for instance, and many on here (this site) will concur with this, because we have had this conversation here many times before,... If I have an island of grass big enough for a z to go on and turn around, then that's what is being used. There are services on here that do literally up to hundreds of accounts a week to fill their route, and if they have an 8 or $9000 machine sitting on the trailer they are paying for, they are going to use it.
Runner is completely right, i use my Z on little residentials because its faster. its only a LC companys fault if the heads were not retracted and they hit the head. but even than its there responsability to tell the home owner his heads are faulty, and that its an easy fix if he wants new heads installed.
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Old 12-14-2008, 09:41 PM
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well you can still break sprinkler heads with a WB. just ask them to be more careful
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Old 12-15-2008, 02:18 PM
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Heads will stick up , thats what they do . A very simple solution is for the guys on the machines to look where they are going . When a head sticks up it just needs to be pushed back down . When I go out and do repairs its generally a lawn mower hit to the head itself , the whole barrel is gone , in my opinion its the person who cut the grass who is at fault at that point. Running a mower over a retracted buried head causes no damage . But I dont care who or what breaks a head , its my business to repair it .

In october I went out to make an adjustment on a newly installed system , the homeowner said 3 heads were watering the street . I showed up and there were 3 rainbird heads doing 360 at the road , Told the homeowner the bad news I dont use rainbird , since someone besides my company messed with the system his 2 year warranty was void. And he owed me for a service call for since the warranty terms were violated . There was a $ 200 dollar charge to reinstate the warranty plus 2 service calls , and parts . Total cost to the guy who cut the lawn $ 490.00 .

Sprinkler companies sell extended warranties and service policies to THEIR customers , by doing or attempting repairs to a sprinkler system may cost more than informing the homeowner you hit a head .
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Old 12-15-2008, 02:43 PM
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Old 12-15-2008, 03:10 PM
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Nevermind... don't want to ruffle any more feathers
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Old 12-27-2008, 12:56 AM
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I lived in WPB and it's full of PITA's. The day I could leave was a red letter day.

If your sprinklers were properly installed they wouldn't be breaking. I had to redo the sprinklers at my home because the bozos put them in wrong.
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Old 12-27-2008, 01:05 AM
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Oh yeah, I've broken ONE head in 16 years. And that was in some planting beds hidden by liriope. I replaced it and told the customer but she even offered to pay me for it since it wasn't my fault. This was in Georgia. I have used a 48" or 44" ZTR for 90% of lawns since 1998.

I agree the head being on a rigid upright in sandy soil is likely the problem.
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Old 12-27-2008, 07:48 AM
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Heads will stick up , thats what they do . A very simple solution is for the guys on the machines to look where they are going . When a head sticks up it just needs to be pushed back down . When I go out and do repairs its generally a lawn mower hit to the head itself , the whole barrel is gone , in my opinion its the person who cut the grass who is at fault at that point. Running a mower over a retracted buried head causes no damage . But I dont care who or what breaks a head , its my business to repair it .

In october I went out to make an adjustment on a newly installed system , the homeowner said 3 heads were watering the street . I showed up and there were 3 rainbird heads doing 360 at the road , Told the homeowner the bad news I dont use rainbird , since someone besides my company messed with the system his 2 year warranty was void. And he owed me for a service call for since the warranty terms were violated . There was a $ 200 dollar charge to reinstate the warranty plus 2 service calls , and parts . Total cost to the guy who cut the lawn $ 490.00 .

Sprinkler companies sell extended warranties and service policies to THEIR customers , by doing or attempting repairs to a sprinkler system may cost more than informing the homeowner you hit a head .

Your a piece of work. Not all heads are visiable in the grass that needs to be cut unless the grass is thin and unhealthy. Since somebody "messed" with the system? You mean changed a head? Your a joke.
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Old 12-27-2008, 10:56 AM
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I have no way of determining, from this thread, whether the problem lies with company
carelessness, an improper installation, or a maintenance failure on the owner's part.

Technically speaking a properly installed riser that is functioning as intended should never get clipped by a mowing machine.
However, inconsistencies in the terrain, improperly installed or out of maintenance heads, an inexperienced operator or an
improperly maintained lawn mower could be in part or all responsible for doing so.

I will say thou, the more experienced caretakers would, or should know what is the problem,
and be able to either educate or assist the homeowner in this matter. However this may not
always be the case, such as if the caretaker is inexperienced, but then the very least they
should be doing is informing the homeowner of the damage, as that still doesn't assume
responsibility but it shows someone who cares.

Just for example...
I don't particularly care for being held responsible for such damage, however I do carry spare risers with me in the truck
and usually I replace one here or there at no cost if only because I can not always determine what the problem is, plus it
keeps the customer quiet and happy and it's the easy way out of the problem.

Beyond that, communication, we have to let the customer know when we break something,
never mind who or what fault it is the surprise factor tends to spark the anger.

So...
I would go ahead and look for another company, at least for the time being.

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Then the heads are probly orbit so they stick.
Oh yeah like Toros and Rainbirds and Hunters don't.

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Old 12-27-2008, 11:47 AM
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Your a piece of work. Not all heads are visiable in the grass that needs to be cut unless the grass is thin and unhealthy. Since somebody "messed" with the system? You mean changed a head? Your a joke.
Hope you have a fireproof suit, because you will get flamed for that... I had actually typed out a similar, yet much more lengthy post about MD's post, but chose to delete it a few minutes later. The irrigators on this site are NOT friendly to "lawn guys" and they all believe that no one but them can work on irrigation. Don't even try to post in the irrigation forum, they just gang up and run the lawn guys off.
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