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Old 12-27-2008, 01:36 AM
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To get to the best answer knowing as many variables will help.

The tools that you need to move because the truck is full, what are these tools?

Blowers, Whackers, Hand tools? What exactly?

What age can you get your license in Kansas?

What engine do you have in the 150?
Someone pointed out that very important fact that you will be shortening your life of your truck?

Would a 12 ft or 14 ft do the same job? and your parents be accepting?
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Old 12-27-2008, 01:42 AM
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I would get a three binder with a clear plastic front print off your company logo as a cover sheet.

Then open..

Start with some pictures of your set up know just normal ready to go.

Then flip to the truck compeletly loaded with leaves and all.

Then write out exactly how much time is wasted you said 10 minutes a job times X jobs = X time = X money a day. Show them how much you are wasting.

Show pictures of the new trailer.

Get quotes of brand new ones.
Print out all cost that you will need to modify a new or old trailer.

All of this can just be done on Microsoft Word.
Simple neat professional.

You do need to realize what new brakes are going to cost on the truck as they will go faster. Through that in there, show them you have done your homework.

Lay it all out with a nice thing explaining why this is a good investment.

Then ask them what they think.
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Old 12-27-2008, 01:43 AM
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When the truckbed is full I haul my cones,trimmer,blowers,gas cans,rakes,barrells,mower baggers,gravely,21 and a few other things on the trailer. It is very packed when I do cleanups and mowing. I have my restricted license already which allows me to drive to my jobs and such. I will have my regular license when I turn 16 in July which will allow me to go wherever I need to go. The truck has a 351 in it. The engine is new and only has about 3,000 miles on it. Once again paid for by me. The smallest I would go on a trailer would be a 14 footer. I think I would leave that as a last resort though.
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Old 12-27-2008, 01:46 AM
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I would get a three binder with a clear plastic front print off your company logo as a cover sheet.

Then open..

Start with some pictures of your set up know just normal ready to go.

Then flip to the truck compeletly loaded with leaves and all.

Then write out exactly how much time is wasted you said 10 minutes a job times X jobs = X time = X money a day. Show them how much you are wasting.

Show pictures of the new trailer.

Get quotes of brand new ones.
Print out all cost that you will need to modify a new or old trailer.

All of this can just be done on Microsoft Word.
Simple neat professional.

You do need to realize what new brakes are going to cost on the truck as they will go faster. Through that in there, show them you have done your homework.

Lay it all out with a nice thing explaining why this is a good investment.

Then ask them what they think.
Defintly going to do that. Any other suggestions or questions? I had this problem convincing them I NEED commercial equipment. Showed them a business plan. No problems convincing them now
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1995 7.3L F-250 XLT 4X4 9' Uni-Mount & Pro Flo Spreader
2009 7x14 Trailmaster
2003 7x18 Trailmaster

48" Walker MT GHS
36" Walker MC GHS
48" John Deere Hydro W/B
21" Husqvarna XT7
Stihl KM-90 W/ FS-KM
Stihl FS-85R Trimmer
Stihl FC-95 Stick Edger
Stihl BR-550&600 Backpack Blower
Stihl BG-86 Handheld Blower
Stihl HS-45 Hedge Trimmers
Snapper Commercial Power Rake/Slit Seeder
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Old 12-27-2008, 10:33 AM
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Your parents sould like my parents were when I was your age... My mom was dead set against me spending ANY money on equipment, etc. When I was a little youger than you she thought I should be using THEIR mower and I shouldn't even own one! It was a fight from the word go, or "mow" I should say, lol.

I too gave up on asking, or even talking about buying such n such new mower or equipment. All it did was start a huge fight about how I was stupid and wasn't going to be doing this for ever and how I needed to get a real job... This argument lasted till I was in my early 20's, long after I had moved out. Support from my mom, I got NONE. I learned to just buy what I wanted, hide it as best I could and get yelled at when she found out.

Now, as for the 16' trailer. I think it's a good step... I don't care much for the PJ trailers with their "removable sides" because they aren't stationary you can't really mount racks to them because they flop around all the time. Well, you can mount racks, but whatever is in the racks gets beat up fast. They are well built structure-wise, and are all "fru-frued" up with the dimond tread fenders, recessed lights, etc, but then they totally failed on the gate design. Wrong expanded metal, horrible hinge design, goofy latch design that rattels a god-awful amount. And then they are about the most expensive trailer around here. It's hard to pick out a good one anymore though, there's soooo many junk ones around.
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Old 12-27-2008, 11:19 AM
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Ok, Stay with me on this one. Get some crack and sit at the kitchen table. When they come in and say " WTF?!?!", just tell them you had to spend your money on something Now seriously, DONT DO DRUGS! I think you already figured that part out. But I would sit down with them. List the pros and cons of the bigger trailer. Have several price quotes to show them. Also explain that the bigger trailer is safer with a second axle and second set of tires. You should also explain that with a bigger trailer, you can carry more equipment and make less return trips to the shop. This will save you time and money, allowing you to make more $$$$ and get more lawns done. That is the name of the game. Just show them some posts on LS about trailers. Just leave my post out

Best of luck. I know it is a PITA, but no one cares for you more than your parents. They want the best for you. It always good to include them in your plans. They have seen and done a lot more than you have yet. Life is the greatest teacher. Nobody better tell my mommy I said this, I would never live it down.
This is good advice. It shows you both sides of things.
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Old 12-27-2008, 11:21 AM
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My parents were like this too. I wanted to get some new equipment before I had my drivers license, so they wouldn't take me because they thought a little hand held poulan blower would be good enough. THen I bought a new stihl back pack for $400, then a year later traded it in for a better stihl back pack, and they yelled at me for that and said I'd be sorry. BUT I'm buying a camper this spring, and they're wondering when I'm going to get, and how much, if they can go. But they are dead set about me putting a plow on my truck so I can get bigger. But when I find the right plow, it's going on the truck whether they like it or not. Heck, I'm going to be 20 on Monday, and they still try and tell me how to run my business. I'm at that point where I don't listen to their direction. I listen to their advice, but half the time it's not a money maker. So you have to do what you want.
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Old 12-27-2008, 12:19 PM
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I would love to just go buy a trailer without their approval, but it would be kinda hard to hide a 16ft long trailer haha.
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Old 12-27-2008, 12:27 PM
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I would love to just go buy a trailer without their approval, but it would be kinda hard to hide a 16ft long trailer haha.
Don't hide it, just tell them that you had to buy it, because your equipment wouldn't fit on the trailer, and that you expanded your whatever and make up some stuff.
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Old 12-27-2008, 12:30 PM
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Don't hide it, just tell them that you had to buy it, because your equipment wouldn't fit on the trailer, and that you expanded your whatever and make up some stuff.
The thing is though, the equipment does fit on the trailer I have. Very tightly and very inconvenient when you need to get to something.
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1994 F-150 XLT 4X4 8' Uni-Mount
1995 7.3L F-250 XLT 4X4 9' Uni-Mount & Pro Flo Spreader
2009 7x14 Trailmaster
2003 7x18 Trailmaster

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36" Walker MC GHS
48" John Deere Hydro W/B
21" Husqvarna XT7
Stihl KM-90 W/ FS-KM
Stihl FS-85R Trimmer
Stihl FC-95 Stick Edger
Stihl BR-550&600 Backpack Blower
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