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Old 01-22-2009, 08:10 PM
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safty front brakes

scagguy I think you said it all. If it saves your ass just once itwould be worth it for me.You asked how much would it cost? After a manufacturer fits the three main compoents a master cylinder and two slave cylinders or hydralic calipers on disc brakes the production cost will be less than 60.00 dollars per unit.Is this worth saving a life or what!I will be answering outer post tomorrow and will be filming a few videos to answer all of your questions and Yes I will install a roll bar and a seat belt before the next test ride Ted Corriher
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Old 01-22-2009, 08:26 PM
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This is a GREAT idea. For those of you that mentioned it's the "operators" that get themselves into trouble (true) or "knowing the limitations" of your mowers (also true) I can see how this can help in both instances. It's the difference between a careless employee possibly saving their own life (and your mowers) and also expanding the capabilities of your existing mower making it more efficient........i.e......more money in your pocket being able to mow areas you couldn't before.

My only comment on design would be to reconfigure the way the hydraulic hoses enter the front spindle. It will easily get caught on low branches or knocked loading, unloading, etc... I'm thinking adding a 90 degree fitting on top or incorporating it into the side of the spindle housing would be a great addition. I think what you all need to take away from this is that this is an enhancement that can not only create a safer mower (whatever your brand loyality is) but increase productivity and put more money in your pocket!! Entrepreneurial spirit, gotta love it Well done.

I know I'll get flamed for this but what the hell. I'll go out on a limb that the individuals that have posted and are slamming this design (or calling it worthless/not needed, etc...) would fall under the "old dog, new tricks" category. I would venture a guess this may become a standard feature on most brands within a few years. It's also ironic that they put this on a Bad Boy which for many of you is also "tainted" because of the disbelief a mower can be overbuilt and reasonably priced. If this design doesn't become standard, I'm sure you will see a knockoff of some sort. Food for thought, just open your minds a bit.
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Old 01-22-2009, 09:30 PM
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if you are dumb to go that fast down a hill with a 500 foot cliff on the buttom ,you will forget the brake ......
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Old 01-23-2009, 03:44 PM
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never really realized there was a need, but after thinking about it, i guess there would be. the only problem I have with it is this (and please remember, I am not a physicist or an engineer by any means): consider a ZTR traveling downhill forwards. you slow the front down but not the back. all of the weight and momentum from the rear (which is a LOT) wants to continue to move, and by slowing the front wheels you are turning them into a hinge of sorts. think of a car, when you slam on the brakes, all of the momentum and weight is transferred forward, it nosedives and the rear end pops up. I think this could create a potential for a very unstable mower. would work great if you were going backwards downhill, but how often is that? I think its a great safety feature, but I think it would be better suited on the rear wheels. perhaps adapt a simple drum brake system that is found on many automobiles, and rather than use a complex hydraulic system, just use a simple, variable lever action system much like an emergency brake in a car. you need to stop the weight, not whats in front of it.

DISCLAIMER: i am not an engineer or physicist by any means, nor am i knocking this guys design at all, and I think it could be developed into a great safety system.

how about 4 wheel brakes? off one foot pedal
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Old 01-23-2009, 05:07 PM
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Great Idea
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Old 01-23-2009, 05:32 PM
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I think it is a good idea as well. Maybe add an adjustment that allows the brake to be only 80%-90% effective at full force. That would prevent the casters from acting as a hinge like another poster said.
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Old 01-23-2009, 06:05 PM
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scagguy I think you said it all. If it saves your ass just once itwould be worth it for me.You asked how much would it cost? After a manufacturer fits the three main compoents a master cylinder and two slave cylinders or hydralic calipers on disc brakes the production cost will be less than 60.00 dollars per unit.Is this worth saving a life or what!I will be answering outer post tomorrow and will be filming a few videos to answer all of your questions and Yes I will install a roll bar and a seat belt before the next test ride Ted Corriher
Ted, Make up a set for a Lazer Z HP. Pm me after you get 10 posts. (It takes 10 days after you join here to pm anyone.) I'll give you my CCinfo and we'll put one unit on and give it a real test. I have a 6 acre estate on Lake Travis that has wrought fence 3 feet past a sidewalk on a 20 degreee slope. Then we have the lake bordering the back half of the property. Should be fun.
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Old 01-23-2009, 09:25 PM
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screw the front brakes, give me a 4x4 mower!
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Old 01-23-2009, 11:16 PM
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Only thing I'd like to see is individual pedals for each wheel. So you could drag one brake to help you mow across the slope instead of always having to go up & down.
You read my mind! But how about 4 wheel brakes with separate pedals for left and right?!
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Old 01-23-2009, 11:59 PM
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Get a 90 degree fitting on the top and keep the hoses out of branches harm.

I love the idea.

Do you drill out the caster stem? Or are some hollow? Lets have some close up pics of the workings.

Do they work as a parking brake as well? Would help moving around the trailer during transport.
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