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Old 06-18-2009, 01:50 PM
WannaBeOrganic WannaBeOrganic is offline
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Well, if you find it moronic then I guess you fall into the "paying homage to the latest fad" category.
You don't get it. Applying anything to ornamental turf is a waste in my opinion. Whether it be trucking in tons of compost or bags of fertilizer. A 20lb bag coming from Iowa or wherever is about as bad as a half ton load being trucked in locally.

I understand what I'm doing is purely for aesthetic purposes and I'm fine with that. I make no allusions that maintaining a non native lawn is not natural. The grains could be used to feed livestock, the compost better used at local farms to grow food.

Like I've said before, I could add nothing to my lawn and still have a decent looking lawn. I put the effort in, and others hire people to get better than decent results.

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BINGO! Now you are using your head.
You previously said you spend a lot of time in the irrigation forum. Since you're in Zone 9 CA, an area that needs to import water, you must spend your time there insisting people rip out or at least never use their sprinkler systems whenever they ask for help with their lawn irrigation system right? To do otherwise would seem hypocritical based on some of you statements here.
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Old 06-18-2009, 02:09 PM
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You don't get it.
No my friend, you are once again prominently displaying your ignorance. If you knew the first thing about my primary "soap box" then you wouldn't make such an ignorant statement. You really need to quit posting on this topic now, cause all you are accomplishing is digging a rather large hole for yourself.

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Since you're in Zone 9 CA, an area that needs to import water, you must spend your time there insisting people rip out or at least never use their sprinkler systems whenever they ask for help with their lawn irrigation system right? To do otherwise would seem hypocritical based on some of you statements here.
Once again dude, making statements without even the slightest clue what you are talking about. In fact, water is "plentiful" in my region and yet water management still makes up about 60% or more of my work. Trust me when I tell you, you do not want to go down that path with me.

And yes, in fact I do recommend to every client extensive modifications of their landscape, which at least include:

1) Get rid of ALL front yard lawns. If turf is "really" needed, then limit to a reasonable amount that will actually be used.

2) Restore native habitat and use regionally appropriate / native plants that require little or no inputs (and that includes labor).

3) Renovate irrigation systems in order to make the most efficient use of water possible.
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Old 06-18-2009, 02:43 PM
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Yeah. That's exactly who I want to be taking lawn care advice from. Someone who thinks I shouldn't really have a lawn.
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:12 PM
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Am I the only one that finds the whole issue of what's more sustainable way to fertilize lawns as moronic as asking what's the most legal way to hire a hitman?

Unless you have a bunch of grazing animals most grass is ornamental. The other benefits of grass could be achieved using other ground covers that don't require any inputs, not even water other than what comes from the sky.

In my area we get plenty of rain and irrigation systems are pretty rare and only come on during the summer, sometimes never at all. Most people that do water either hand water or occasionally throw out a hose end sprinkler.I can't imagine growing a lawn somewhere that experienced regular droughts and needed frequent irrigation.

We have the ability to farm more grains. People aren't going to starve because of it. A few years ago I got a lesson about how some people are paid not to grow anything on their land when I was visiting someone's "farm". I asked them what they grew on the farm they said nothing. I asked what made it a "farm" the reply was basically you don't get subsidies for vacation houses. Makes me wonder what's going on with all these "ranches" some celebrities seem to have.
You're examining the California compost nazi in a whole different light that I am, WBO!

He obviously possesses next-to-no business logic.
Because if he does, he certainly wouldn't be attempting to herd the masses into one exclusive corral labeled 'compost only'.
Successful business folk do not try to dictate a lone specific regimen to their clientele without offering program options to suit specific customer lifestyles.
That kind of thinking is a recipe for business suicide.
And I could easily post on here a half dozen or so business names of local companies I've known thru the years who've attempted to do the exact same thing Kiril preaches, and failed within the 1st year or two!.

I'm certain if the California compost nazi were to drop his irrigation biz and go out pushing an exclusive topdressing service, his true motive would eventually become all to clear to his clients, the day he refuses to offer them any alternative to.... 'his'... plan.
Plan? Oh, excuse me!
For Kiril, the (seemingly) non-stop proliferation of propaganda on Lawnsite espousing compost over anything else is nothing less than a direct motive from an underlying POLITICAL AGENDA.
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:22 PM
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Yeah. That's exactly who I want to be taking lawn care advice from. Someone who thinks I shouldn't really have a lawn.
Good one!


I'd love to see a pic of what Kiril envisions in his mind's eye as the... 'perfect lawn'.
A got a strong inclination it might resemble one of the hayfields my dad & I used to cut for horse hay, with tractor-mounted sickle bars!
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Old 06-18-2009, 07:04 PM
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Yeah. That's exactly who I want to be taking lawn care advice from. Someone who thinks I shouldn't really have a lawn.
Yup, ignore the dude with 10 years of University education and 15+ years of field experience .... he knows nothing and the homeowner/rep who buys bagged products to feed his tiny little lawn knows everything.

@Marcos

Did you post something cause I think I saw a childish rant somewhere here. And you are yet another fine example of someone who has their head up their ass because you can't read what I write to save your life.

But don't let me stop you from your bashing, little boy bully, or any of the other people that don't ride on your boat. It seems it is the only thing that gives you pleasure in life. In just about every thread you post in on this site you have to start shiit with someone. It gives your life meaning and purpose.
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Old 06-18-2009, 07:40 PM
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Yup, ignore the dude with 10 years of University education and 15+ years of field experience
Education and experience in what. So far you've only established what you aren't and what you'd like to be and there was some indication you were an irrigation installer. My dentist has 10 years of experience and 15 years of experience, I don't let him tell me what to do to my lawn.
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Old 06-19-2009, 08:13 AM
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U of C, Davis....consulting. When people call, they're told to rip out their lawn, apply compost(of course), then replant entire area in things like honeysuckle, blackberries and sumac. Once they've done that, they'll be the envy of the neighborhood. That's when the referrals and the "big bucks" start rolling in.
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Old 06-19-2009, 08:27 AM
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Education and experience in what. So far you've only established what you aren't and what you'd like to be and there was some indication you were an irrigation installer. My dentist has 10 years of experience and 15 years of experience, I don't let him tell me what to do to my lawn.
No no, WBO!
Don't you know that the California compost nazi 'logic' would have the irrigation installer attempting to dictate so-called 'sustainable, green' decisions for your dentist, and everyone ELSE across the internet?!?

Obviously, with a whopping 8000+ posts in just a couple of years, the California compost nazi lives to simply sit around in his little corner of the country & fantasize that all others lack common sense who refuse to subscribe to his socialist-inspired 'sustainable' agenda.

And...
If that aforementioned California compost nazi continues to wonder why I don't respond directly to his points any longer, it's because he has proven to me conclusively that his overall line of thinking regarding 'sustainability' and use of compost is both invalid and corrupted by personal politics.
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:25 AM
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Yup ..... more jealous spew from the peanut gallery. Hilarious!

FYI, WBO that would be essentially two B.S. degrees, one in Soil Science and Hydrology, the other in Applied Plant Biology (few courses short) and the past 15+ years in all aspects of landscaping maint., construction, design, and management. Gee, I've even done work in Ag and habitat restoration as well.

But hey then, don't listen to me, or any of the other countless people on this forum who use compost successfully. Keep on in that homeowner haze, bashing people you know nothing about on a public forum, pretending you know more than you really do, and having no other purpose in life other than getting just a "little more" out of your lawn "organically" so you can have bragging rights in your neighborhood.
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